Re: High Quality Tie Guan Yin?
Posted: Aug 11th, '13, 15:36
Need a URL.
I found The Mandarin's Tea Room, but not Tim's.
I found The Mandarin's Tea Room, but not Tim's.
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The URL is already earlier in this thread.JD wrote:Need a URL.
I found The Mandarin's Tea Room, but not Tim's.
Eh, worth trying once to make sure before you talk yourself down so much, no?JD wrote:Well that's quite pricey. Way over my budget.
And these pricier TGYs may be lost on my taste buds. I don't believe my taste is as sensitive as others. I could spend that much money and end up being disappointed since it may just taste like other TGYs to me.
Or are you looking the for the best you can afford, one that you feel is "worth it"?JD wrote: Like.. the best in China?
I want the best green TGY.
You did ask for the best.JD wrote:Well that's quite pricey. Way over my budget.
And these pricier TGYs may be lost on my taste buds. I don't believe my taste is as sensitive as others. I could spend that much money and end up being disappointed since it may just taste like other TGYs to me.
That is my bad, sorry. I tend to convert everything to a standard unit in order to compare. Since tea is often sold in 10, 50, 75, 80, 100, etc gram packages, it is helpful for me to compare prices by converting to a standard unit. I guess I use price/kg instead of price/100g out of habit because I sold fruit priced by the kg for many years. Thanks for letting me know, in future I'll use 100g units to avoid confusion.AdamMY wrote:Part of me actually hates it when people quote prices per Kilogram. I understand why vendors do it, because they purchase the teas in that quantity. For most home gamers so to speak, we would only spend that money if we really really liked the tea and had tried it first, not to mention knew we could go through a kilogram of it in a reasonable amount of time.
No I understand the desire to throw things into a common weight for comparison of price. Though I oddly go completely in the opposite direction, I tend to go down to a price per gram. I guess the issue with either is a psychological in which the price they see/ hear initially skews their views one way or another. So as someone who has had very few tea orders go above 200 dollars, seeing a price for a kilogram of tea over 200 dollars sends all these alarm bells off in my head ( and likely others until they think about it). While at the same time might sway things the other way, at least mentally. I mean a dollar per gram does not sound that bad until you realize if you use 8 grams for a session that is at least an 8 dollar session of tea right there.genushumanusalice wrote:That is my bad, sorry. I tend to convert everything to a standard unit in order to compare. Since tea is often sold in 10, 50, 75, 80, 100, etc gram packages, it is helpful for me to compare prices by converting to a standard unit. I guess I use price/kg instead of price/100g out of habit because I sold fruit priced by the kg for many years. Thanks for letting me know, in future I'll use 100g units to avoid confusion.AdamMY wrote:Part of me actually hates it when people quote prices per Kilogram. I understand why vendors do it, because they purchase the teas in that quantity. For most home gamers so to speak, we would only spend that money if we really really liked the tea and had tried it first, not to mention knew we could go through a kilogram of it in a reasonable amount of time.
I found this website about tea in Maliandao and Fangcun.Teaism wrote:chrl42 wrote:Those gold version of TGY sometimes come to markets like Maliandao or Fangcun..stay like a week then go, but they are usually not available to normal customers...
I wonder too..what's so special about them..
I have been to Maliandao and Fangcun. Personally, I don't recommend any novice or even advance tea drinkers to look for tea there. Unless you are really very skillful with long history of experience in tea.
Derek Chew wrote: Guest Post: Proving Your Worth by Derek Chew
I'm always excited to share wise words from my knowledgeable friend +Derek Chew of +Peony Tea S.. Today's guest post was doubly exciting for me because it discusses both tea and horses, two of my passions.
Proving Your Worth
In most industries, the merchant would try to impress the customer with their best wares- their house specials that would blow the minds of the customer and leave an indelible impression.
Not so with tea houses in China.
My observation is that the opposite is true. With most tea vendors in China, you have to impress the merchant before he will show you his best.
This curious phenomenon probably explains why many claim that the major tea markets such as Maliandao and Fangcun sell mediocre stuff while others swear by the gems they found there.
After a year and a half in the tea business, I think I have a clearer picture of why this may be so:
Bo Le and the Thousand Li Horse
There is a Chinese saying “A Thousand Li Horse (Chinese expression for a fine steed) needs a Bo Le”.
In Chinese mythology, Bo Le was a legendary judge of horse and was valued for his ability to discern the finest stallion from middling ones.
To an experienced tea drinker, a high grade Dancong might have a multi-faceted fragrance, brothy full mouth feel and heady aftertaste.
Someone new to Dancong, it just tastes bitter and astringent.
Particularly if the merchant is also the producer, seeing their handiwork unappreciated is not a sensation any artist would relish.
Also appreciating the quality of the tea is also linked to valuing the tea.
An uninitiated tea drinker might just say:
“Why is this Tieguanyin so expensive when I can buy one off the net for $10 for 4 oz?”
More often than not, if you need to ask this question, the answer will never satisfy you.
Limited Supply
In China, the best teas- especially oolong and green tea- tend to be handmade and in limited supply.
Furthermore, for non-perishable teas- such as oolong and puer, many seasoned buyers buy in bulk once they find something they like.
Hence, the treasures of the shop are guarded as such, not to be wantonly offered to anyone who pops in.
For most cases, the merchant would start to assess the preferences and buying patterns of the consumer before deciding what to offer.
No sense in depleting a limited stash on the non-target audience.
Changing One’s Mind
Tea, at least true artisan handmade teas are a work of art.
How the producer controls the ‘zuo qing’ process to compensate for weather conditions and harvest quality, how thorough the ‘sha qing’ is so that the leaves have a substantially uniform level of oxidation, roasting to impart the taste.
Yet like all works of art, you can only change an open mind.
If you come in with an attitude of “show me what you got”, most likely you won’t be impressed.
For instance I once had a lady who asked me to show her my Xihu Longjing at an event. The moment she saw it she said “the one I have at home is better. I bought at Hangzhou, I knew you guys wouldn’t have anything better.”
After I brewed it for her, she still went “not bad but the one I have a home is better. You want good Xihu Longjing, still have to go to Hangzhou.”
Notwithstanding the fact that from what she said earlier (her tea leaves being uniformly green and had chestnut fragrance), it was obvious her Longjing was not Xihu Longjing.
Most of the time, you can’t change a mind that is already made up especially for something as subjective as art.
Finally…..
I will leave you with a final story.
Bo Le was tasked by the King of Chu to find a ‘thousand li horse’ to accompany him on his battles. Not taking this commission lightly, Bo Le travelled far and wide but found no suitable stallion.
One day he saw a skinny horse struggling to drag a salt cart along the road. The relentless whip of its master only managed to elicit a plodding pace from it.
Bo Le circled the horse and signaled to the salt merchant to stop. He whispered something into the ear of the horse and listened to its neigh.
He then told the salt merchant to sell that suffering beast to him.
The merchant laughed: “Can’t you see this brute is no good for anything. Sometimes I think it might be less strenuous for me to drag the cart myself than to whip it into action.”
Bo Le calmly replied: “Since it’s so useless, why don’t you sell it to me for the price of a donkey.”
Done deal, Bo Le brought the mare back to the King of Chu.
Not exactly impressed, the King ridiculed Bo Le. “This is a fine stallion but it was not appreciated. Give it 2 months and nurse it back to health.” Bo Le replied calmly.
True enough, the mount more than proved its worth, joining the King of Chu of numerous conquests.
Many a tea merchant in China will only show their finest stuff to a Bo Le, not the salt merchant.
Hi Ethan,ethan wrote:I would not conclude that a man is bad for not offering all of his products to all of his customers all of the time.
Retail business is quite a challenge. People who are not familiar w/ a product (such as good tea) who consider better quality at a high price & low quality at a lower price, might not buy any immediately, if ever. How much more expensive should "better" be? Is lower quality, just not as good as better tea; or, is it bad?
My beautiful handwoven cotton looks dull w/ silk next to it. My more-than-reasonable silk prices seem high when compared to the prices of cotton. I lose business by offering cotton & silk on the same day.
I like to respect people, letting them choose from everything I have; but, too often the result of giving such respect is being thanked for the information verbally, not transactionally. (Sometimes the verbal gratitude is made w/ obvious condescension, to tell me that I was granted a favor: someone has let me indulge a personal weakness, a need to "show & tell".)
Who can blame businesspeople for wanting to control the situation a bit?