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William wrote:I deduced this, from how the light is reflected, by the teapot's surface, in the first and second picture. I may be wrong.

I can see what you are referring to but I'm not so sure this pot is underfired. Many Yixing pots are somewhat burnished giving a bit of shine to them. In fact, tingjunkie's pot is probably a very good candidate for developing a nice patina quickly. It looks like it will have high porosity but I don't think this means it is underfired. Many 80's pots look like this. I could be wrong, too.

Tead Off wrote: I can see what you are referring to but I'm not so sure this pot is underfired. Many Yixing pots are somewhat burnished giving a bit of shine to them. In fact, tingjunkie's pot is probably a very good candidate for developing a nice patina quickly. It looks like it will have high porosity but I don't think this means it is underfired. Many 80's pots look like this. I could be wrong, too.

What you say is true.
Only using this teapot for a few days, will be possible to understand its characteristics.
Therefore tingjunkie, you should brew some tea and tell us your opinion.

tingjunkie wrote:

kyarazen wrote:nice! what was the price? i've the "tian-qing/hui-ni" version of this pot.
supposedly 80s. almost exactly the same pot except the outlet's single hole

will post up pictures later.

Just a song. I was quite lucky. Would love to see your "cousin."

the cousin








the zhong guo yixing bottom seal type of such pots are now going for at least $120 usd a pop off the shelf of a reputed tea shop over here and are sold out already.

mine's mid high fired, single hole, 7 second elution w/o tea leaves. in my recent experiment comparing this pot vs hongni/zini/gaiwan of the same era, it came up tops in being able to smoothen a really rough bitey pu-erh sheng, and the decent firing did not rob the aroma either.

nice find!

I also have some like this from the 80's. They all brew well.

Looking nice kyarazen!

Getting around to brewing with the pot for the first time tonight. I think it will indeed take a nice patina quickly. I guess in the pics the complete lack of tea oil made the pot look dry and underfired. Definitely not the case though. Maybe I'll work the pot hard for a couple weeks and repost to show the progress.

tingjunkie wrote:As I mentioned, the clay is darker in real life than in the photos. Just too lazy to correct the color in editing. That might be why it could look under fired.

Nice find Ting!

A new and very generous donation to tingjunkie's Yixing Hospital for the Cracked and Chipped. (Thanks TIM!) The nicely made lion on the lid was knocked off during a fall. Very easy repair with JB Weld, and she's back in service! Great clay and craftsmanship on this three-footed 220ml beauty.

Any suggestions on how to determine if a pot is moldcast or slip molded?

BW85 wrote:Any suggestions on how to determine if a pot is moldcast or slip molded?

Some good info here. Might be better to start a new thread on this though, instead of asking in the showoff thread.

A tale of two pots. Thanks to Tony of Origintea and a HUGE load of luck, I found the qingshuini brother of a zini ba le that I had.

the_economist wrote:A tale of two pots. Thanks to Tony of Origintea and a HUGE load of luck, I found the qingshuini brother of a zini ba le that I had.

Nice!

kyarazen wrote:nice! what was the price? i've the "tian-qing/hui-ni" version of this pot.
supposedly 80s. almost exactly the same pot except the outlet's single hole

will post up pictures later.

doubtful.

The chop is after 改厂(late-80s~)..the shape of the pot follows 70s.Without interior pics it's hard to say firmly. But they don't look quite like. Unlike hand-made Qing teapots, Factory-1 used specific moulds per period.

Most of 8~90s Factory-1 SP came out during 90~91 and 96~97. The clay looks good nonetheless, manganese clay.

doubtful of? late 80s is still 80s.
fake qing pots are also handmade, words and seals used are also hand carved.

also, what are the subtle differences between a reduction fired style clay and manganese doped?

chrl42 wrote: doubtful.

The chop is after 改厂(late-80s~)..the shape of the pot follows 70s.Without interior pics it's hard to say firmly. But they don't look quite like. Unlike hand-made Qing teapots, Factory-1 used specific moulds per period.

Most of 8~90s Factory-1 SP came out during 90~91 and 96~97. The clay looks good nonetheless, manganese clay.

kyarazen wrote:doubtful of? late 80s is still 80s.
fake qing pots are also handmade, words and seals used are also hand carved.

also, what are the subtle differences between a reduction fired style clay and manganese doped?

It doesn't look Factory-1 stuff.

The photo rather looks 70s Hei Tie Sha with its coarse texture, only it isn't.

Late-80s (and after) doesn't have Hei Tie Sha..but they do have that color of clay but texture not the same.

Factory-1 didn't use a reduction method..Factory-1 Heini is cobalt oxide+manganese oxide mixed....and why do u think it's late-80s (the genuine one doesn't cost over 100 bucks though)?


btw late-80s SPs come in a square sticker, have you seen that?

Factory-1 Shui Ping teapot has specific moulds, clays, traits.

50~CR SPs : Earliest version was 'Peng Gai (helmet lid)', mould-used, thin-walled, clay is ROC Hongni.

And later the clays are Zhaozhuang Hongni and high-quaity Mt. Huanglong Hongni. Thin-walled, short 'teeth' of lid..many leave 'joint line'.

The chops are 6-letter seals, and 6:4 ZGYX.

70s SPs' lid is done with a steel mould, clear shrinkage lines are shown. 7:3 and 5:5 ZGYX appears. Qing Shui Ni appears.

Early-80s SPs are very distracted. Level of making has fallen but the clay is good nonetheless. Hongni/Niangaotu SPs have thick and long 'teeth' of lid. Supposedly comes with a green sticker when new.

and Factory-1 undergo 改厂.. (the price drops)

after late-80s, all of commercial pots come with a square sticker (aka Fangyuanpai) and hologram (even later) sticker..fired in high temp in the heavy oil kiln. SPs came out during 89~91 and 95~97.

Clay is mostly Chuanbu Hongni (contained iron oxide)...huge lid button, thick and long teeth of lid (hence less practical). Zini ones are manganese mixed and Heini ones are manganese/cobalt/chrome all mixed. Very few Qing Shui Ni (pure clay).

The seals are 8:2 ZGYX to 8~16-letter seals (indicating the years made).

And so on.


Factory-1 SPs are even harder than Qing SPs sometimes, because the very potters who've worked for that factories are alive...or the clay (although low-quality ones are only left) is still left. Just to understand and understand is the only way to buy them...