AdamMY wrote:The Red Barron, I think we are equally annoyed because we trying to understand it and learn more about it are asking all sorts of questions, but all we get in return are posts calling us naive westerners, who if we can't google it doesn't exist. Not to mention the fact that your posts insult us and just insist you are right without actually attempting to answer our questions.
To give an example of what this is like, it would be like if I helped my student with a problem, but they only took away the steps and none of the reasons. Then they go and try and help their friends, and their friends are asking "Why is this the negative of that?" To which the student I helped just tells them "The teacher said it so it is true" and then ignores all discussion as to why it could possibly true.
That is what this whole discussion is like, you got some information from your teacher, now you are sharing it to the rest of us, but you don't care to even guess at the why's.
I mean I asked some rather interesting questions that you completely ignored.
Is there some hidden charm in the older pieces of teaware that the tea drinker may be appreciating and using those good feelings and transferring them into the tea?
That is possibly the best explanation, as the reason why a lot of us collect nice teaware is because we seem to enjoy tea better in them. Though in the west we tend to phrase it that way, as opposed to saying "it makes the tea better" which up to translation are nearly identical phrases with slightly different implications.
I think that i have stated already at the start that *i do not understand why that is so because to do so one may have to be a physicist which i am not*.
There are many things in this world for which i have no logical explanation, such as what makes a car drive (i am not exactly a mechanic), but other things that i have studied in depth for which i can give you logical explanations for which others can't. Nobody knows everthing.
I started beginning to get annoyed when i was told that i should be aware that may just want to sell me antique tea ware. I was getting more annoyed when a poster graciously assumed that i was ignorant over certain psychological effects (how would he possibly know what i know or don't know about psychology?!), and getting very annoyed when my posts were described as "rude". The original poster thought not so, he found the tangent interesting, and so far the person accusing me of being rude has not yet retracted his accusation. Nice manners.
As to your question - i don't know why you all collect old tea ware. I was taught that there is a reason why particular old tea ware might be better, and others might not be.
In terms of Yixing pots (and i am far from an expert, and many others here on the forum know much more on Yixing ware), i was told that there are several reasons, such as a different way of processing the clay (by hand then vs by machine now), the use of wood fired dragon kilns, and similar - giving quite different results that may be more of importance than what particular kind of clay is used in a pot. I don't know either why that is so, i just know that i find that tea does taste better to me (and not just to me) when made in old yixing pots.
Somewhat similar is the matter of old cups - more care was given in the inner geometry of older cups, giving a better flow and therefore better development of taste in the mouth and sinus cavities. I can only say that my older cups do taste better, than the new cups i have tried. But i have some old cups that are not great, and only showpieces, and others that i use. Again - just more empirical crap.
There were other explanations i have heard regarding physics and atoms, but excuse me - that is a point when my mind begins to switch off, and i honestly don't remember.
And yes, i am right in my statement that a highly respected tea master is teaching that the material of a saucer/place on which a cup is placed influences the taste of tea. I am right that none of my detractors here in this annoying discussion has the knowledge, level of experience or authority to question this tea master without having ever experimented or even heard of this before i made the mistake of posting this.
I have not, as another sarcy commentator had to reply to me when i corrected a blatant falsehood, the "absolute truth" - i simply have tasted the difference when this particular tea master (who does not sell antiques, or is in any way out to rip off gullible westerners) showed it to me on several occasions. I stated from the beginning that i don't know why that is so, and would not be able to repeat that on my own.
Go, find and contact this particular tea master when you are so keen on either questioning him, or when you to find out why that is so, make your lab tests that can explain what may or may not occur on a nuclear level (sorry for the sarcasm). But you may have to live with the disappointment that it was/is enough for *me* to simply see that there was a difference in taste, and that my aspirations in tea are not high enough to exactly know *why* that is so.
I also do not really care about why car is driving, it is enough knowledge for me that it does drive. The same counts for electricity - i am one of the people who are quite comfortable in their faith that electric power happens when you stick a plug into a socket.
There are many things we don't really have a logical explanation why things are as they are. Take food, and food preparation, for example. It is quite well known that food prepared on a old style wood or coal fired stove is better than done on a gas flame, which again is better than electric plates. I am not aware of any logical explanation, but having two of the three aforementioned possibilities at home - we do prefer by far our wood fired stove over gas.
Can anyone give me a logical explanation why coal fired stoves are considered to give better tea water quality over any other flame - a concept that is quite well described all over the place?
To conclude this rant - no i cannot give you a logical explanation for the phenomenon i mentioned and which caused me so much grieve here - yet i was honest enough to state that *I* haven't got one, instead of babbling some complete falsehood here just so i can appear knowing more than actually do.