More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?


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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby NPE » Feb 19th, '14, 06:23

Tead Off wrote:I may have to call you that. That is one of the more tired looking saggy pots of the bunch. :lol: This would be a candidate for Bagua 7's hammer. :shock:


I thought that Bagua's hammer only worked on Yixings??? :wink: :lol:

I personally think that it is quite perky. I have to admit that K229b (the one above mine) reminds me a bit of Marvin (the paranoid android) :mrgreen:
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby NPE » Feb 19th, '14, 06:25

茶藝-TeaArt08 wrote:
This is my favorite pot, which also happens to be a xishi, 150ml, made of native Taiwan stone, and brews really wonderful tea:

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Oh my! I would just looooooove to be able to sit down to such a setting. Simply beautiful - and the teapot: stunning!!!!
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Teaism » Feb 19th, '14, 06:28

More Xishi photos from my blog:

http://teaism99.com/2014/01/01/pugilist/

Those are made in 1983 by 2nd factory.

Let's get the Xishi-mania rolling.... :lol:
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby the_economist » Feb 19th, '14, 11:38

Nice pots Teaism!

Still waiting eagerly for the gracefulness of Teadoff's to appear.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Tead Off » Feb 19th, '14, 22:58

the_economist wrote:Nice pots Teaism!

Still waiting eagerly for the gracefulness of Teadoff's to appear.

Aren't the examples that Teaism and Tea-art have illustrated graceful enough? Even the original posters photos illustrate this. You want more? You'll have to do your own homework. :D
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby the_economist » Feb 20th, '14, 00:37

They are very graceful indeed. Was just wondering if there was some Teadoff gracefulness, but I'll settle for theirs no problem. In fact, my standards are so low that I wouldn't even call the ones on Hojo's site graceless :D
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Tead Off » Feb 20th, '14, 01:06

Personally, I prefer the egg shaped Yixing more than the xishi shaped pots.

This one is modern. There are many Qing examples that are fantastic.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Tead Off » Feb 20th, '14, 01:12

Kangxi egg shaped. 17/18th century.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby chrl42 » Feb 20th, '14, 02:57

Xishi depicts women.....Longdan (dragon-egg) depicts men..... :mrgreen: :lol:


btw I am seeing Longdan as Yongzheng~Qianlong period,
Most of Kangxi redwares are Europe-exported 'Zhusha' (similar to Hongni) yixings...Kangxi teapot made of Zhaozhuang Zhuni is very rare (actually never seen)...but just my opinion...that 2nd pot looks graceful :mrgreen:
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Teaism » Feb 20th, '14, 03:16

chrl42 wrote:Xishi depicts women.....Longdan (dragon-egg) depicts men..... :mrgreen: :lol:


+1 :lol: :lol:
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Tead Off » Feb 20th, '14, 04:04

chrl42 wrote:Xishi depicts women.....Longdan (dragon-egg) depicts men..... :mrgreen: :lol:


btw I am seeing Longdan as Yongzheng~Qianlong period,
Most of Kangxi redwares are Europe-exported 'Zhusha' (similar to Hongni) yixings...Kangxi teapot made of Zhaozhuang Zhuni is very rare (actually never seen)...but just my opinion...that 2nd pot looks graceful :mrgreen:

The Longdan was vetted at Bonham's auction as Kangxi.

You know, the antiques Longdan is much more common than Xishi. Hard to find early Xishi.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby TIM » Feb 20th, '14, 16:23

I like how we get off track the OP's topic here. Must be a TC thing.

So Tead, is that one of your collection for the Qing's dragon egg?
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Tead Off » Feb 20th, '14, 23:10

TIM wrote:I like how we get off track the OP's topic here. Must be a TC thing.

So Tead, is that one of your collection for the Qing's dragon egg?

LOL. Wish it were. I thought it was Bonham's but I believe it was China Guardian auction.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Chip » Feb 23rd, '14, 22:22

Tead Off wrote:
NPE wrote:
Tead Off wrote:I think these are poor copies of Xishi style. No grace to these.


Well, call me an enjoyer of graceless teapots: I have a lot of fun and great tea with the one from Life in Teacup and I have K227b from Hojo currently making its way to me.

A variation on a common theme does not always have to be bad - I can enjoy both Tom Waits' as well as Tori Amos' interpretation of 'Time' :D

was talking about the Japanese copies, not Gingko's. The clay may be very nice for tea. It's just a personal opinion, but well made Xishi have a lot of grace and style. I don't find that in these Japanese ones. Not beautiful. Just my taste, nothing personal. Actually, it's all personal. :D

But are these being sold as Xishi "copies?" Perhaps they have a resemblance ... perhaps ... to a small degree. This is a bit like night and day to me personally. I do not think Hojo nor the artisan is shooting for "grace." It is all about the clay and function.

The clay is nice for tea. In general these pots including the side handle have a rudimentary look. A quality to them that is earthy, warm, raw, natural ... enjoyable to use.

Obviously this is not going to appeal to everyone ... but for me it was an instant attraction ... I saw and bought instantly (side handle). For me to do this, I have to realllllly like the item.

However we (you, me and Hojo) can agree on this, I do not particularly care for the droopy back handle pots.
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Re: More or less the same Xishi Zhu Ni but different prices?

Postby Teaism » Feb 23rd, '14, 22:35

Well said Chip.

Also for that price, it is worth it. A genuine clay teapot hand made by artist, brew tea very nicely definitely better than a new moulded Yixing pot with questionable clay. The design and shape is good for me too.
I have one of another design sitting on my tea tray and going to get another one when I visit Akira next month. I booked the hotel next to his shop and will check him out for 2 days for tea. Will get the feel of the pots before I buy another one, which I am considering the Xishi.

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