chrl42 wrote:MarshalN wrote:chrl42 wrote:MarshalN wrote:chrl42 wrote:MarshalN wrote:Tead Off wrote:I am not questioning the authenticity, just trying to explain that it is difficult for people to judge through small photos because you feel that Marshaln is wrong about your pot. I think within your group, if it were not Qing, someone would have spoken up already.
Shuiping was stamped on many Qing style pots from later periods and so were Mengchen inscriptions on the bottom. We cannot judge the age of pots from these, but from the clay and the look.
Tead Off, from my experience talking with hundreds of tea/teaware collector in Greater China, NOBODY would tell you that your pot is fake in your face in China or Taiwan. Nobody, until you try to sell it to them.
There's an unwritten rule that you don't tell someone they have a fake. You just don't. People get angry, as you're seeing right here.
So, take it or leave it, it's my opinion and I'm standing by it - I can go to Taiwan tomorrow and pick out 50 pots that look like the one pictured. This looks more like a Taiwanese remake from the 80s rather than an actual late Qing pot.
Yes, maybe if the higher resolution picture changes the way it looks dramatically, I'll reconsider. Judging from what it looks like right now, chances of it being genuine is pretty low.
Is that the guy who said golf filters are used during the ROC?
Seriously, you don't know what you talk about. Stop before you become hilarious.
Enjoy the Beijing teapot scene.
Experienced collector.
What's the seal? how to read it?
Not 100% on the left since it's a bit blurry, but looks to be 孟臣惠記. Since when do seals tell you the age of the pot? It's the most easily faked thing.
nice. now evidence, please.
Evidence of what?
Your pot's lid is all wrong, never mind the shuiping seal. Your under the lid shot confirms it, if anything. Late Qing zhuni - the lip extending from the lid should be a lot thinner and deeper. Yours is newer, thicker, and shorter. Not saying it's not possible, since anything is possible, but it doesn't look like any of the confirmed Qing zhuni pots I've seen.
The spout, the shape, the proportion... late Qing is a real stretch. It's hard to tell the clay quality, but I'm wondering if it's zhuni as well, but that needs better pictures. Republic and we might have some room for play, but highest chance is 80s Taiwan remake. Looks a lot like those, and I've seen hundreds of them when I lived in Taiwan (and bought a few). Your pot is also in perfect condition. Sure, it's possible, but again, for a 100+ years old pot that's traveled around, with multiple wars in between? Um, how much did you pay again?
Look, I have no skin in the game. I don't sell any pots I own. I don't care if you wasted money or not. I could've just shut up and say "nice pot". I could be wrong, and if I am, well, it happens. But your pot doesn't look right given what I've seen, at least it doesn't look right for what's being claimed. If you feel confident that the guy who sold you the pot is the real deal, go for it. I just visited some guy's home recently who bought a fake Hongyin for $15000 USD ten years ago from Yue Hua Chinese Department Store. He thought it was real, because he never drank it and wanted to save it for something, I guess. Yue Hua is big when it comes with selling Chinese goods, or so we like to think. Now he's dead, and the tea is as fake as they come and is basically worthless. Buyer beware.
Sellers would all tell you it's Qing, because that's how they sell them. Doesn't mean they're actually Qing, but lots of people who buy them believe it and reconfirm each other and believe what they have is Qing. Before you know it, nobody knows what a Qing pot looks like anymore.
For laughs, check this facebook group. There are some "Qing" pots there.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/540990739294003/