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Yixing Clay Seasoning - Reason?

by betta » Jun 18th, '09, 15:18

I have one pot acquired from Chen and it got seasoned very fast and works very well to reduce astringency of all teas I have. The brew gives more pronounced sweet aftertaste than other pots I have and I can enjoy strong roasted oolong way better than before.
This is the appearance of the clay after about 10 tea sessions. It turns to pig-liver red color while initially it was red-brown. The nice "gold sands" associated with dicaoqing, which were initially "hiding among the clay" appear now. Can't resist the temptation, I ordered the second one.

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I don't really understand what makes some yixing clay get seasoned very fast and really works reducing astringency while some aren't.
Could anyone elaborate more on it? Are all good clays suppose to be like this or it holds only for particular clay?
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by TIM » Jun 18th, '09, 20:35

That's a classic example of good yixing clay. Taking out the poor character and brighten up the good. Some made the fishy pond of cooked pu disappear, some mellows out the harsh fire/roasting, and some just absorb the aroma of one tea and make it even better the next session.... Congrats on finding the fun of good yixings. Cheers -T

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by ck2998 » Jun 19th, '09, 01:26

I noticed that the inside of Chen's pot, when left to air dry after use, dries up pretty quickly, even in a tropical environment.
Is that an indication of the quality of the clay?

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by Oni » Jun 19th, '09, 01:48

Purple clay is known to reduce astringency, banko is made of the same purple clay that yixing teapots, and I noticed it do reduce astringency as well, and to test if a yixing is good for a type of tea or not, try to compare it to a gaiwan of the same size and with the same amount of leaves, if the yixing makes better tasting tea, than go ahead and use it for that type of tea, and don`t forget the "showers" and "water baths", with a gaiwan you cannot do these tricks.

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by betta » Jun 19th, '09, 03:01

TIM wrote:That's a classic example of good yixing clay. Taking out the poor character and brighten up the good. Some made the fishy pond of cooked pu disappear, some mellows out the harsh fire/roasting, and some just absorb the aroma of one tea and make it even better the next session.... Congrats on finding the fun of good yixings. Cheers -T
Yes, it becomes more fun than before. I've tried to use zini and zhuni but they don't reduce the astringency and harshness very significantly as this one. The old Zhuni also seasons very fast but never for other clay. I'll post the seasoned zhuni's pic some other day.
ck2998 wrote:I noticed that the inside of Chen's pot, when left to air dry after use, dries up pretty quickly, even in a tropical environment.
Is that an indication of the quality of the clay?
I am not sure, but I guess it is a sign that the clay is porous (which is the desired effect). The logic is similar to drying a surface by absorbing the water into porous cloth. I'm sure the pot is very porous because even my pot was fired about two weeks before shipping, bubbles rose from couple of spots on my pot for couple of minutes when I soaked it in water. Charlie has mentioned that water dries up fast on a surface of yixing clay as well. May I ask which clay did your pot is made of, if you don't mind?
Oni wrote:Purple clay is known to reduce astringency, banko is made of the same purple clay that yixing teapots, and I noticed it do reduce astringency as well, and to test if a yixing is good for a type of tea or not, try to compare it to a gaiwan of the same size and with the same amount of leaves, if the yixing makes better tasting tea, than go ahead and use it for that type of tea, and don`t forget the "showers" and "water baths", with a gaiwan you cannot do these tricks.
I've tried to use a gaiwan to compare it and it does give a contrast result. I'm afraid I'm not accurate enough because the gaiwan I used is thick, but not as thick as this pot and most of other yixingpot. You're right, I can't shower it, but during the comparison I didn't shower the pot during steeping either, maybe the thickness also plays significant role, but don't know to which extent.
Hey, banko is interesting as well, may be some other time. Toru-san of artistic nippon has been one of my best source of japanese teawares as well as donabe, but the custom cost paid just to clear the item is too immense (19% of product price VAT + 7% of product (inclusive VAT) plus shipping price yield about 33% extra cost). His donabe is really really good!

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by ck2998 » Jun 19th, '09, 04:36

Hi Betta,

I got 2 pots from Chen. Both are Duoqiu, one made of chin shui ni, the other di cao qing.

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by betta » Jun 19th, '09, 05:14

ck2998 wrote:Hi Betta,

I got 2 pots from Chen. Both are Duoqiu, one made of chin shui ni, the other di cao qing.
Hi ck2998, do you notice any difference between the result of brewing in both pots?

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by Tead Off » Jun 19th, '09, 05:45

betta wrote: I've tried to use a gaiwan to compare it and it does give a contrast result. I'm afraid I'm not accurate enough because the gaiwan I used is thick, but not as thick as this pot and most of other yixingpot. You're right, I can't shower it, but during the comparison I didn't shower the pot during steeping either, maybe the thickness also plays significant role, but don't know to which extent.
Hey, banko is interesting as well, may be some other time. Toru-san of artistic nippon has been one of my best source of japanese teawares as well as donabe, but the custom cost paid just to clear the item is too immense (19% of product price VAT + 7% of product (inclusive VAT) plus shipping price yield about 33% extra cost). His donabe is really really good!
betta, try to do the test in the following way. If you are comparing gaiwan to clay teapot, use a glass vessel to brew the tea. Pour tea into a glass faircup. From the faircup, pour the tea into a gaiwan and the clay teapot. From each, pour into porcelain teacups. Drink. Compare.

When you brew the tea in one neutral vessel like glass, you know you are comparing the same brew. Simply by contact with the gaiwan and the teapot, the tea will be affected and you will be able to compare flavor and aroma.

If you want to compare different teapots, for example a red teapot to a purple one, brew the tea in a gaiwan or glass teapot. Pour into porcelain or glass faircup. Pour tea into the different teapots and then serve in porcelain cups. You will be able to see right away the different qualities of the clays.

And, please, report back to us. :lol:

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by coloradopu » Jun 19th, '09, 15:52

i think its done so they can sell this stuff

???? does it work better than leaf

http://www.teaspring.com/Cha-Gao.asp

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by TIM » Jun 19th, '09, 15:59

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My Chen's pot progress. And first time using for Traditional Kung Fu.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65257125@N00/3470420419/

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by betta » Jun 20th, '09, 05:44

TIM wrote:Image

My Chen's pot progress. And first time using for Traditional Kung Fu.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65257125@N00/3470420419/
Nice shining 8) shuipin!

@Tead Off: Interesting to try. Will post next week.

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by Oni » Jun 20th, '09, 08:02

Tim, where can I buy a nice teaboat like yours on the picture, I have been looking for a decent teaboat and sofar no results.

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by TokyoB » Jun 20th, '09, 19:08

Oni wrote:Tim, where can I buy a nice teaboat like yours on the picture, I have been looking for a decent teaboat and sofar no results.
Me too. Suggestions Tim or anyone else? I prefer blue and white porcelain but will consider anything.
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by Herb_Master » Jun 20th, '09, 19:47

TokyoB wrote:
Oni wrote:Tim, where can I buy a nice teaboat like yours on the picture, I have been looking for a decent teaboat and sofar no results.
Me too. Suggestions Tim or anyone else? I prefer blue and white porcelain but will consider anything.
Isn't this (of Tim's) just a bowl that Tim has found suits his needs as a teaboat?

1. If you have a specific idea in mind you could try and commission one from the Tea Artisan's section, from Colorado Pu or others!.

2. Browse etsy to see if any bowls there attract you [and seem the right size for the teapots you use] - I nearly fell for this one (one of 2 near identical)- but just a shade too tall

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?re ... d=25520091
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and this one may be too shallow
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=7018322
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but there are hundreds of others.

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by finddream2020 » Jun 24th, '09, 09:14

I am very glad you like my teapot.
Just because of the porous of the yixing clay, the zisha teapot can reduce the astringency and get seasoned fast.

Hope you will enjoy our teapot!

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