Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after explosion????


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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby mikkelrl » Apr 7th, '11, 15:02

everyone wrote:Nothing dangerous for sure


Thanks for the encouraging words, I am not really updated on this whole aftermath. And yes, surely the myth of radiation and nuclear forces in general is a powerful one - I guess the outcome of the cold war was as much ideational as technological. And it's understandable, really. If the idea of breaking apart the elementary stuff of the universe and thereby releasing invisible rays evoking unknown but definitely horrible effects in everything they reach should not scare people, then what should? It seems like an archetypical hybris/nemesis scenario, and I guess people are just waiting to express their bad (un)conscience.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby David R. » Apr 8th, '11, 08:59

I've just heard that they are no more restrictions on milk and vegetables coming from the vicinity of Fukushima.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby James » May 3rd, '11, 14:01

Yeah its really a bad condition for the japan actually all over the world that there should be food poision due to atomic exploen ...
we can just hope for the best that the food should away from the atomic fusion...
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby Aleksei » Jun 22nd, '11, 02:52

Xell wrote:
Aleksei wrote:It did meltdown, and sadly the workers that remained delayed the inevitable.

http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-nuke-plant-now-in-full-meltdown/


Sorry to disappoint you, Fukushima is still really far from what happened at Chernobyl and hope it will stay this way. It's simply thought up by infowars.com, they want more traffic to their site, the more scary article, the more people will come...

Some facts that are released by official sources. Amount of plutonium released is really small and not dangerous to people yet and not far from power plant. Most biggest problem now is leaking radioactive water, they still can't stop it. Fuel rods are only partially damaged and they are fighting to prevent meltdown, for now they are still lucky.

Statistics from Chernobyl, where a lot of fuel was widely spread on huge territory. Most biggest damage to people in Chernobyl caused short living iodine, since government didn't take proper measures against protecting local people (only about 2 month later they gave iodine pills, it was already useless). About 0.5% of people under surveillance got thyroid cancer. There is no reported health problems from Cesium 132, 137. People who moved away got more health problems from stress, than those who stayed near contaminated land. This is statistic, it's hard to believe, but it's true (from a person, who worked with this for many years). People are often scared a lot more by things they can't see.


Looks like the radiation levels have exceeded that of Chernobyl's, just reporting the news, why would I be disappointed that "Fukushima is still really far from what happened at Chernobyl".
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby Xell » Jun 22nd, '11, 03:25

Aleksei wrote:Looks like the radiation levels have exceeded that of Chernobyl's, just reporting the news, why would I be disappointed that "Fukushima is still really far from what happened at Chernobyl".


What news? I really doubt contamination is even near that one of Chernobyl. Though TEPCO tried really hard to not release as much as possible "reputation harming" information. But still territories affected are really different.

In different topic Kevin posted interesting article, piece of it
In a similar situation following the 1986 explosion and meltdown of the Chernobyl reactors in the Soviet Union, samples from tea gardens in Turkey and Georgia tested at 25,000 bq/kg to 89,000 bq/kg. Cay-Kur, Turkey’s national tea company, buried 58,000 tons of the most contaminated teas and simply blended the remainder with the previous year's crop to arrive at an average 12,500 bq/kg reading. At that time less was known about the hazards of food borne radionuclides. Subsequent experiments showed that 60 percent of the radiation was transferred to the liquor from contaminated leaves.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby Aleksei » Sep 5th, '11, 00:19

Xell wrote:
Aleksei wrote:Looks like the radiation levels have exceeded that of Chernobyl's, just reporting the news, why would I be disappointed that "Fukushima is still really far from what happened at Chernobyl".


What news? I really doubt contamination is even near that one of Chernobyl. Though TEPCO tried really hard to not release as much as possible "reputation harming" information. But still territories affected are really different.

In different topic Kevin posted interesting article, piece of it
In a similar situation following the 1986 explosion and meltdown of the Chernobyl reactors in the Soviet Union, samples from tea gardens in Turkey and Georgia tested at 25,000 bq/kg to 89,000 bq/kg. Cay-Kur, Turkey’s national tea company, buried 58,000 tons of the most contaminated teas and simply blended the remainder with the previous year's crop to arrive at an average 12,500 bq/kg reading. At that time less was known about the hazards of food borne radionuclides. Subsequent experiments showed that 60 percent of the radiation was transferred to the liquor from contaminated leaves.




Well how about this news
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/why-the-fukushima-disaster-is-worse-than-chernobyl-2345542.html

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fucrur9_v6w/TlxBhPhluvI/AAAAAAAACBc/tIkZBOK1GDQ/s1600/fukushimasoilcontamination.JPG

and this news
http://www.naturalnews.com/032678_Fukushima_ocean.html

the list goes on.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby Mooniac » Sep 5th, '11, 03:07



The first article you mentioned says that Fukushima is worse than Chernobyl by the fact that it will have more “kills” in long term. “More than 1 million”. As long as this number is not supported by the actual scientific and medical data of how many people died of what could be caused by Fukushima incident – it’s a guess. Not better of mine or yours (yes, this guy is a scientist, but there is no scientific supporting data of _his_ words in the article – so there is no difference who he is). How worse it will be in a long term we will find out in a long term.

Second article – no comments, I don’t read Japanese, so have no idea what’s in it.

Third article clearly states that the Fukushima incident is worse than Chernobyl speaking to its effect to the _ocean_. Fukushima is right by the ocean and Chernobyl is ~600 miles to the Baltic Sea and ~400 to the Black Sea – sure Fukushima was worse, considering that we are comparing only harm made to marine areas, but this doesn’t make Fukushima worse than Chernobyl in general pollution state.


Speaking of how safe is to buy tea from Japan right know… I would wait for one-two years before buying any tea from there or would pick up tea from those areas which are on the western part of the island and more to the north.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby Xell » Sep 5th, '11, 03:56



Pure speculation with no facts behind this, how he can say anything about future deaths if he didn't do any research? This is just absurd, people don't even know how exactly small doses of radiation affect health. About economical part it's sure right and who would be surprised otherwise with so many people in Japan and age difference between those 2 incidents. Especially how little compensation people received for Chernobyl.

Another thing "Chernobyl went up in one go. So Fukushima is worse." I can't believe this is coming from a scientist mouth. With Chernobyl people just got exposed to massive dose of radiation and radioactive iodine at once and died or got serious problems. There was no time to react. Not to mention, that when Chernobyl went kaboom it spread radioactive particles over huge territory. Fukushima has options to keep most of it contamination to a small territory, if it blew up like Chernobyl it is even scary to imagine.

If you read scientist talking between each other on forums and not in speculative news, you will see that everyone agrees than ocean can easily dilute even whole Fukushima. If you think about how much ocean absorbed from coal burning facilities in world, Fukushima is nothing. Though many people will suffer because they won't be able to fish or use fields near Fukushima plant for a while.

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But i agree that TEPCO or Japanese government is really corrupt... as most countries or huge corporations are.
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after Nuclear explosion????

Postby JBaymore » Sep 5th, '11, 18:02

This is getting dragged up again out of the depths!!!!! Please see the other thread that Chip LOCKED. There was a reason. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15327

PLEASE folks, Japan has enough troubles without spreading around information that causes people to over-react or to believee rumor and inuendo and then institute what effectively is an "economic boycot" to their economy on top of all their other troubles.

If YOU personally don't want to buy their tea....... don't. But please THINK about the effect of posting all manner of stuff you simply found on the web as justification of your decision. You don't need to justify yourself in print. Just don't buy it.

If you have something that you think is a good link... post it and be done with it. Don't editorialize about it..... unless YOU WROTE IT.

If you are a scientist, you MIGHT have the ability to rationally evaluate some scientific data on the web and that is absolutely fine. But just because you SAY you are a scientist here.... does not mean that you ARE. For all we know, you are a dishwasher in a diner.

And you don't need to warn people on this list to stay away from Japanese teas. There is already a HUGE amount of information out there for people to sort through and make that decision. Those that are interested will do that research and weigh it for themselves.

It is one thing to post a link to information and that is it. It is completely another to then go off on a personal tangent or triade or rant explaining what the stuff you posted is so horrible and is absolutely true.

You have no clue if it is true or not. Just because you read something on the web, does not necessarily make it true. ANYONE can set up a blog and say they are a nuclear scientist. No one is checking credentials nor authenticity.

And the title of the whole thread is TOTALLY misleading...... there never was a nuclear explosion!!!!!!! If there had been ....... this would be a FAR greater mess.

Aaaaaarrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!

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.............john
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Re: Food Safety of 2011 Japanese Tea after explosion????

Postby Chip » Sep 5th, '11, 23:05

Title edited by Moderator, "Nuclear" removed before explosion.

Topic LOCKED by Moderator. Please see: http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16144


This topic can now sink like a lead weight to the bottom of the ... Pacific Ocean. :mrgreen:
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