Aug 16th, '09, 11:29
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
how do Robert!
love the avatar is that you?
any who hello and glad to see another Artisan on here ...... more fodder to taste. looks like you have some nice work there and boy i would like to see more. please post more pics and flicker works great too give it a try thats what i use.
as once said by that mod guy who you should not ignore we need more stuff on the shelf so please help!!
looking for more.............
Cpu
P.S. sorry for the late drop in got stuck in the mud. luckily i had some cha Gau with me and i got out un-scared.
love the avatar is that you?
any who hello and glad to see another Artisan on here ...... more fodder to taste. looks like you have some nice work there and boy i would like to see more. please post more pics and flicker works great too give it a try thats what i use.
as once said by that mod guy who you should not ignore we need more stuff on the shelf so please help!!
looking for more.............
Cpu
P.S. sorry for the late drop in got stuck in the mud. luckily i had some cha Gau with me and i got out un-scared.
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- Oribe-Hakeme Chawan...... Courtesy of Oakwood Ceramics Gallery, Nottinghamshire, UK
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Aug 17th, '09, 10:40
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
Very nice Oribe! Whenever I see a Japanese Oribe, I am reminded that I know so little since I don't really understand them very much. I see the bright green color which I like since it is my fave color, but beyond that ... still need to learn.
Any insight, Robert, into what is going on with your chawan that would help me and others to understand Oribe a bit more?
Any insight, Robert, into what is going on with your chawan that would help me and others to understand Oribe a bit more?
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Aug 17th, '09, 14:32
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
interesting about the einin tsubo incidentronin ceramurai wrote:Thanks Chip!
Historically, Oribe is named after Furuta Oribe who was a samurai under Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Oda Nobunaga both powerful Osaka warlords. Oribe studied Sadou under Sen no Rikyu before branching out to start his own school of tea and it is said that he then commisioned Mino potters to create a new type of ware for him thus the birth of Oribe ware. Asked to plot against the Emporer by his warlords in Osaka, his revolt failed and he, as well as all of his sons were beheaded.
Another intersting factoid surrounding Oribe is that of the Mino potter Kato Tokuro who passed away in the mid-80's. This story was related to me by Kato Takahiro, Tokuro's grandson whom I visited a few years ago at his family's studio. Tokuro, along with Arakawa Toyozo (Shino), Miwa Jyusetsu (Hagi), Kaneshige Michio (Bizen) and Kitakawa Handeshi (a banker from Tsu who made the most amazing pots and was the intellectual/spiritual leader of the group...... more on Handeshi later) were a group of amazingly talented potters doing work to revive and understand works from the Momoyama period which is considered to be the pinncale of Japanese studio pottery. All of these men had their respective specialities and Tokuro's was Oribe. Carrying an ego uncommon in his day, Tokuro thought that his work rivaled anything ever done historically so he proceeded to break up a series of his pieces and then bury them. As most of these potters were scholars as well as archeologists concerning their respective specialties, digging shards for study was quite common. After a number of years passed, Tokuro partially dug up his latest "find" of Oribe ware and then promptly notified Monbusho (Japanese cultural ministry) in Tokyo of the location of the specimens at which time Monbusho sent their Oribe expert down to Nagoya to join Tokuro in his "research". Retuning to Tokyo, the gentleman from Monbusho promptly wrote a lengthly treatise on the newest, and most amazing find of Oribe shards. These matters are not taken lightly in Japan however and when Tokuro let everyone in on the joke, the gentleman in Toyko was promptly fired in disgrace while Tokuro was summarily excommunicated from the prestigeous Japan National Potters Association as well as forced to move his kiln and studio.
More on the posted Oribe chawan later.....
R
the 'disgraced' fellow fired also committed suicide. sad story.
also kato was never a ningen kokuho. it probably didn't matter to him
saw one of kato tokuro's chawan at kuroda toen in shibuya. yikes $150,000 US !
i'm a fan of kato tokuro and his son okabe mineo
also a fan of kawakita handeishi ! GLAD you shared this information !
aloha ! great info on oribe !
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
Thank you Robert for sharing that story and Cory, also for the added interesting info.
I am holding my breath for more on your Oribe posted. It's breathtaking.
I am holding my breath for more on your Oribe posted. It's breathtaking.
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Below shino by former Tokuro deishi Yamada Kazu
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
Thank you for the wonderful history Robert!
And Wow, that shino - like molten lava.
Peace to all.
And Wow, that shino - like molten lava.
Peace to all.
Aug 17th, '09, 17:37
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
Welcome Robert,
I've admired your works for sometime now...I look forward to hearing more of what you will offer.
Michael
I've admired your works for sometime now...I look forward to hearing more of what you will offer.
Michael
Aug 17th, '09, 18:39
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
Very interesting!
So, why is that almost all Oribe seem to be reckognizable instantly ... first by the green glaze, and then by the rather distinctive contrasting and bold markings?
So, why is that almost all Oribe seem to be reckognizable instantly ... first by the green glaze, and then by the rather distinctive contrasting and bold markings?
Aug 19th, '09, 09:09
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
robert
cool oribe piece
can u show a photo of the koudai ?
my fiance's dad is a big kato takahiro collector. do you know him personally ? that is a cool photo of you and kato san. he looks really young in that pic.
i saw a show of kamagure, 3 generations of kato family in musee de tomo in tokyo. kato tokuro, shigetaka and takahiro. takahiro's huge piece was amazing, sort of murasaki shino huge foot wedged tsubo. it was standing upright. amazing ! looked like it weighed a ton !
i'm a big fan of kato tokuro. it was my first potter shared by a friend thru a book when i first started studying ceramics. his forms are amazing. saw also some huge wall pieces in some kyoto hotels. they were like 4x8 meters big. looks like they were made like a puzzle on the ground then mounted on a wall.
aloha
cory
cool oribe piece
can u show a photo of the koudai ?
my fiance's dad is a big kato takahiro collector. do you know him personally ? that is a cool photo of you and kato san. he looks really young in that pic.
i saw a show of kamagure, 3 generations of kato family in musee de tomo in tokyo. kato tokuro, shigetaka and takahiro. takahiro's huge piece was amazing, sort of murasaki shino huge foot wedged tsubo. it was standing upright. amazing ! looked like it weighed a ton !
i'm a big fan of kato tokuro. it was my first potter shared by a friend thru a book when i first started studying ceramics. his forms are amazing. saw also some huge wall pieces in some kyoto hotels. they were like 4x8 meters big. looks like they were made like a puzzle on the ground then mounted on a wall.
aloha
cory
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Aug 20th, '09, 14:02
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Re: Robert Fornell (Ronin Ceramurai) Chadogu
thanks robert
the pink feldspar sounds interesting
can you please share your kiln/s and firing methods ?
mainly gas and or woodfire ?
thanks !
cory
ps thank you from k-chan and i ! MAHALO !
the pink feldspar sounds interesting
can you please share your kiln/s and firing methods ?
mainly gas and or woodfire ?
thanks !
cory
ps thank you from k-chan and i ! MAHALO !