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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Chip » Mar 11th, '10, 23:23

:mrgreen: thanks entropyembrace.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Mimzycaterpilla... » Mar 11th, '10, 23:25

entropyembrace wrote:haha you must not be using enough leaf or time to get those caffiene levels xD

Also claiming oxidation levels have any significant effect on caffiene content in the leaves has been debunked repeatedly in scientific liturature

also the content of caffiene in tea leaves can reach 5% which is quite a bit higher concentration than coffee(2-3%) and certainly higher than decaff which is less than 0.1% caffiene by dry weight.

statistics which show tea has having moderately less caffiene than coffee are based on only the 2 or 3 grams of tea found in tea bags...to brew tea properly typically 5-10g of loose leaf tea is used which can be up to 5x more caffiene than common statistics indicate! That would place a cup of tea´s maximum caffeine content much higher than drip coffee...and already a typical teabag brewed cup is higher than espresso

http://www.nobleharbor.com/tea/caffiene.html
http://german.about.com/library/blerf_decaf.htm
http://www.ico.org/caffeine.asp
http://www.longbottomcoffee.com/ctu22.cfm


Good to know! Supposedly you can brew the tea for about a minute and get rid of the liquor then re-steep it and that is suppose to get rid of the caffeine. Not sure though. I think it all depends on the quality of the tea.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Chip » Mar 11th, '10, 23:26

MimzyCaterpillar wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:haha you must not be using enough leaf or time to get those caffiene levels xD

Also claiming oxidation levels have any significant effect on caffiene content in the leaves has been debunked repeatedly in scientific liturature

also the content of caffiene in tea leaves can reach 5% which is quite a bit higher concentration than coffee(2-3%) and certainly higher than decaff which is less than 0.1% caffiene by dry weight.

statistics which show tea has having moderately less caffiene than coffee are based on only the 2 or 3 grams of tea found in tea bags...to brew tea properly typically 5-10g of loose leaf tea is used which can be up to 5x more caffiene than common statistics indicate! That would place a cup of tea´s maximum caffeine content much higher than drip coffee...and already a typical teabag brewed cup is higher than espresso

http://www.nobleharbor.com/tea/caffiene.html
http://german.about.com/library/blerf_decaf.htm
http://www.ico.org/caffeine.asp
http://www.longbottomcoffee.com/ctu22.cfm


Good to know! Supposedly you can brew the tea for about a minute and get rid of the liquor then re-steep it and that is suppose to get rid of the caffeine. Not sure though. I think it all depends on the quality of the tea.

This has also been debunked ...
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby entropyembrace » Mar 11th, '10, 23:27

On average, the volunteers burned an additional 67 calories a day when they drank tea instead of an equal amount of water.


It takes 3500 calories deficit to lose 1 pound so it´ll be approximately 52 days before drinking tea will cause you to lose 1 pound...that´s just about the slowest diet plan I´ve ever seen xD
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Mimzycaterpilla... » Mar 11th, '10, 23:27

Chip wrote:
MimzyCaterpillar wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:haha you must not be using enough leaf or time to get those caffiene levels xD

Also claiming oxidation levels have any significant effect on caffiene content in the leaves has been debunked repeatedly in scientific liturature

also the content of caffiene in tea leaves can reach 5% which is quite a bit higher concentration than coffee(2-3%) and certainly higher than decaff which is less than 0.1% caffiene by dry weight.

statistics which show tea has having moderately less caffiene than coffee are based on only the 2 or 3 grams of tea found in tea bags...to brew tea properly typically 5-10g of loose leaf tea is used which can be up to 5x more caffiene than common statistics indicate! That would place a cup of tea´s maximum caffeine content much higher than drip coffee...and already a typical teabag brewed cup is higher than espresso

http://www.nobleharbor.com/tea/caffiene.html
http://german.about.com/library/blerf_decaf.htm
http://www.ico.org/caffeine.asp
http://www.longbottomcoffee.com/ctu22.cfm


Good to know! Supposedly you can brew the tea for about a minute and get rid of the liquor then re-steep it and that is suppose to get rid of the caffeine. Not sure though. I think it all depends on the quality of the tea.

This has also been debunked ...


Site your source please?
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby entropyembrace » Mar 11th, '10, 23:30

Chip wrote:
MimzyCaterpillar wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:haha you must not be using enough leaf or time to get those caffiene levels xD

Also claiming oxidation levels have any significant effect on caffiene content in the leaves has been debunked repeatedly in scientific liturature

also the content of caffiene in tea leaves can reach 5% which is quite a bit higher concentration than coffee(2-3%) and certainly higher than decaff which is less than 0.1% caffiene by dry weight.

statistics which show tea has having moderately less caffiene than coffee are based on only the 2 or 3 grams of tea found in tea bags...to brew tea properly typically 5-10g of loose leaf tea is used which can be up to 5x more caffiene than common statistics indicate! That would place a cup of tea´s maximum caffeine content much higher than drip coffee...and already a typical teabag brewed cup is higher than espresso

http://www.nobleharbor.com/tea/caffiene.html
http://german.about.com/library/blerf_decaf.htm
http://www.ico.org/caffeine.asp
http://www.longbottomcoffee.com/ctu22.cfm


Good to know! Supposedly you can brew the tea for about a minute and get rid of the liquor then re-steep it and that is suppose to get rid of the caffeine. Not sure though. I think it all depends on the quality of the tea.

This has also been debunked ...


In one of the links I provided even...there´s a recent thread on that topic too and the studies quoted there indicate that it takes about 15 minutes to decaffinate the tea.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Chip » Mar 11th, '10, 23:31

Heh, I knew mimzy would ask ... looking for it, maybe someone else has it handy? Or you can search the forum ...

Here is one topic: http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=12300&p=147449&hilit=+debunked+caffeine#p147449

Edit: entropyembrace beat me to it, ... thanks again, entropyembrace.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Poohblah » Mar 11th, '10, 23:58

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen.

As far as milk and tea are concerned, I'll put milk in my tea if it tastes good. So far I only think it tastes good with chai and other kinds of spiced/flavored tea; the milk usually provides a nice counterpoint or otherwise mellows out the tea.

IMHO, if somebody is drinking tea solely for the so-called "health benefits," then they should re-evaluate their value system. Miracle drugs aren't going to fix problems. I don't mean that they won't make you healthy; only that they reinforce the societal notion that a certain temporal state is the path to happiness.

Long story short, I don't care if milk makes your tea less healthy.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby entropyembrace » Mar 12th, '10, 00:08

Poohblah wrote:This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen.

As far as milk and tea are concerned, I'll put milk in my tea if it tastes good. So far I only think it tastes good with chai and other kinds of spiced/flavored tea; the milk usually provides a nice counterpoint or otherwise mellows out the tea.

IMHO, if somebody is drinking tea solely for the so-called "health benefits," then they should re-evaluate their value system. Miracle drugs aren't going to fix problems. I don't mean that they won't make you healthy; only that they reinforce the societal notion that a certain temporal state is the path to happiness.

Long story short, I don't care if milk makes your tea less healthy.


yeah exactly, tea is a healthy drink not a magical cure all.

and tea does have caffiene and quite a bit of it...as all the people who can´t drink it past dinnertime can testify!
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Chip » Mar 12th, '10, 00:15

entropyembrace wrote:yeah exactly, tea is a healthy drink not a magical cure all.

but but but ... yeah ... :(

and tea does have caffiene and quite a bit of it...as all the people who can´t drink it past dinnertime can testify!

but but but ... yeah ... :(
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Poohblah » Mar 12th, '10, 00:33

Chip wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:yeah exactly, tea is a healthy drink not a magical cure all.

but but but ... yeah ... :(

and tea does have caffiene and quite a bit of it...as all the people who can´t drink it past dinnertime can testify!

but but but ... yeah ... :(


Haha! I'm guilty too...

At least I got out of the habit of drinking two cups of tea before bed. That caused legitimate sleep problems. Now I only drink one, at the most, and it's nearly always a white or green (or just whatever else is in the gaiwan ;) )
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby wyardley » Mar 12th, '10, 00:59

MimzyCaterpillar wrote:Herbal teas contain no tea leaves.

Neither do rooibos or mate, which you also mentioned.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby Poohblah » Mar 12th, '10, 01:12

wyardley wrote:
MimzyCaterpillar wrote:Herbal teas contain no tea leaves.

Neither do rooibos or mate, which you also mentioned.

I think "tea" in the context of that post is in reference to steeped leaves of any kind (as opposed to those of the tea tree specifically). Herbal "teas" often don't contain any kind of leaf.

But it's a rather moot point; we're only arguing semantics.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby MitzyG » Mar 12th, '10, 23:45

Um - I like milk in tea.
sometimes.
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Re: Milk and Tea

Postby entropyembrace » Mar 13th, '10, 00:51

I like putting chocolate milk in yunnan black :lol:

is one of the few teas that can stand up to milk...and the creamy chocolately flavours blend with it so nicely. :D
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