Fluoride in tea


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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby skilfautdire » Aug 1st, '10, 07:40

TwoPynts wrote:A recent related article:
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/HealthNe ... 61568&SM=1

RTTNews: Global Financial Newswire. The article comes from RTT, not from another news agency (by RTT Staff Writer).

I'm one for sure that will not take seriously any topic on food from a financial newswire if it's not strictly about food and money. They do not give references to actual documents about the research. And even then, all parameters to the research have to be examined, including funding to the institute. A medical college can very well approve for instance the levels of fluoride in tap water.

See the recent American movie "Food Inc."
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Postby skilfautdire » Aug 1st, '10, 07:52

brose wrote:It dose not seem like a surprising article from a website with the url poisonfluoride.com.

If you read further, this site is actually:

Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children (PFPC)

From Vancouver, B.C.

Makes one think about this mother in the USA who fought for passing a law (Kevin's Law) after her son died in 12 days from ecoli bacteria in a hamburger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin's_law (*)

So, do not stop by the name of the URL (in any case, good URL or bad URL) as it is way too limiting in thought.

(*) For convenience, from Wikipedia:

Kevin's Law would strengthen the U.S. government's ability to prevent contaminated meat and poultry from entering the food supply by:

- Requiring the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) to identify the pathogens that threaten human health (e.g. Salmonella, E. coli O157:H7, Listeria monocytogenes).

- Requiring the USDA to establish performance standards to reduce the presence of these pathogens in meat and poultry.

- Confirming that the USDA has the authority to enforce its own standards by shutting down plants that continually breach basic health standards. Courts have held that the USDA does not have this authority in the absence of explicit authorizing legislation.
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby entropyembrace » Aug 1st, '10, 17:30

britt wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:yeah...cyanide is a natural element of fruit pits...not everything natural is safe.


Ah, but we don't eat the pits. I agree that everything natural is not safe, but for a thousand years people have been drinking tea and many valid claims made about its health benefits. I also recently read that the fluoride put into water is not the same type as what is found to be naturally in the food chain.


some people do...it´s a fad in the new age health food group. :roll:

My point is saying something is natural and thus safe is a bit weak...better to say tea has a history of thousands of years of safe use.

The other thing is you´re right...the fluoride compounds added to drinking water are not the same fluoride compounds that are in tea leaves...and actually the lengths that these researchers in Georgia had to go through to separate the aluminum from the fluoride hints to me that these compounds may not be absorbed by the human body at all. If the electrodes can´t pick the ions out of the solution because they´re still bound to each other it´s not likely our intestines would pick them up either since that means they´re not really disolved.
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby brose » Aug 1st, '10, 19:46

Skilfaut... wrote:If you read further, this site is actually:

Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children (PFPC)

From Vancouver, B.C.


Right, the point is that it is an interest group that has an emotional based bias against fluoride. Since it is biased research into the topic, it is as useful as a other questionable internet material. It is amazing what you can fail to find when you are not looking for it. It would be interesting to see what would happen if they submitted their review to a peer reviewed journal.

Entropye... wrote:If the electrodes can´t pick the ions out of the solution because they´re still bound to each other it´s not likely our intestines would pick them up either since that means they´re not really disolved.


I don't understand this can you please explain further?
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby entropyembrace » Aug 1st, '10, 20:01

Most published studies about black tea traditionally have used a method of measuring fluoride that doesn’t account for the amount that combines with aluminum to form insoluble aluminum fluoride, which is not detected by the fluoride electrode. Whitford compared that method with a diffusion method, which breaks the aluminum-fluoride bond so that all fluoride in the tea samples can be extracted and measured.
from https://my.mcg.edu/portal/page/portal/N ... %20thought

Anything that you consume has to pass through a cellular barrier at some point in your gastro-intestinal tract to enter your bloodstream...insoluable salts often don´t get absorbed by your intestines very well or at all so I´m speculating that maybe the aluminum fluoride in tea doesn´t get absorbed by the human body and just passes straight through your intestines.
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby skilfautdire » Aug 1st, '10, 22:19

brose wrote:
Skilfaut... wrote:If you read further, this site is actually:
Parents of Fluoride Poisoned Children (PFPC)


Right, the point is that it is an interest group that has an emotional based bias against fluoride.


It's too bad they have emotion for their children, after all.

The lady in the USA for Kevin's law, with her dead kid, was told just about the same:

"You did not cook the burger right."

Who should care about ecoli in the USA anyways ? Only deranged people would, ain't it ?

brose wrote:Since it is biased research into the topic, it is as useful as a other questionable internet material.


You mean, you have looked into the dozens and dozens of references they are giving in their articles and you declare them bullshit ?

Great.
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby silverneedles » Aug 2nd, '10, 00:48

skilfautdire wrote:
It's too bad they have emotion for their children, after all.
Kevin's law, with her dead kid,

yeah the dead kid he expired indeed, aka passed.

Who should care about ecoli in the USA anyways ? Only deranged people would, ain't it ?

~ 60 deaths annually in the USA

so uhm yeah not on the top of the list.

The only current treatment of EHEC infection is supportive./but/ likely that Abx is thrown at it anyway just to make it look like something is being done- to please the parents, and in the process create resistance of the bug to antibiotics. defensive medicine.

an internal meat temperature in excess of 155ºF (68.3ºC) is necessary to eradicate EHEC
... 70C ... thats less than the water splashing our tea leafs

"You did not cook the burger right."

so yeah. cook the burger, dont complain, assume the risk, especially when you feed a 2 year old bloody lukewarm meats. ok? :roll:
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Re: Fluoride in tea

Postby Chip » Aug 2nd, '10, 01:03

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Hey TeaPeeps, I am calling a time out on this topic ... so let's drink a cup of tea and take a few deep breaths. :mrgreen:

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