Thanks! Nice to see you too my dear!
I'm retired now so I have less time to spend here,
ironic, huh?
Life is good. Oolong is good.
Do I sound more wise now? hahaha
Aug 8th, '11, 18:02
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Re: Help with Ali Shan
Welcome back Victoria. Long time : ) Great to see you here in the oolong section. Cheers ~ TokiVictoria wrote:Thanks! Nice to see you too my dear!
I'm retired now so I have less time to spend here,
ironic, huh?
Life is good. Oolong is good.
Do I sound more wise now? hahaha
Re: Help with Ali Shan
It's great to see you, Victoria, and congratulations on the retirement!Victoria wrote:I'm retired now so I have less time to spend here,
ironic, huh?
And you always sounded wise...!
Re: Help with Ali Shan
You mentioned the taste being grassy. I usually find that nasty grassy taste of gaoshan means too hot water. When you start of with too hot water you've ruined the leaves so cooling the water for the second infusion is not going to help. You'll have to discard of the leaves and start over with fresh ones.
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Re: Help with Ali Shan
Definitively! Let's sum what has been said in here so far:
1. Water being too hot
2. Infusions being too long
Let me add number three:
3. Using the incorrect brewing vessel, if in doubt a gaiwan is the safest choice.
1. Water being too hot
2. Infusions being too long
Let me add number three:
3. Using the incorrect brewing vessel, if in doubt a gaiwan is the safest choice.
Re: Help with Ali Shan
In my experience, gaoshan can take boiling water. I'm not sure if grassy and grainy can be the same flavor profile, just described differently. But, I have had wonderful grainy flavor from gaoshan.
Also, IME, I have been disappointed more from Alishan teas than Lishan and Shan lingxi teas. Generally, the higher the altitude, the better the teas.
Also, IME, I have been disappointed more from Alishan teas than Lishan and Shan lingxi teas. Generally, the higher the altitude, the better the teas.
Aug 10th, '11, 12:48
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Also, the higher the grade or altitude (which Teadoff pointed out). The hotter water temp should be use.Tead Off wrote:In my experience, gaoshan can take boiling water. I'm not sure if grassy and grainy can be the same flavor profile, just described differently. But, I have had wonderful grainy flavor from gaoshan.
Also, IME, I have been disappointed more from Alishan teas than Lishan and Shan lingxi teas. Generally, the higher the altitude, the better the teas.
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Re: Help with Ali Shan
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Re Ali Shan which is becoming more and more available to the mainstream, I wonder if what has already happened with Dong Ding (DD is more often used to decribe "type" versus tea actually grown on Dong Ding since supply has long been much lower than demand) is beginning to occur with Ali Shan. I have no basis for this, but we see it repeatedly in the recent history of tea. (Darjeeling too)
Or the teas are getting lower and lower in elevation ... and lower grades are more and more blended (with who knows what). Mainstream vendors selling Ali Shan will rarely have the good stuff. And if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.
I think I agree, grainy and grassy are quite different, at least when describing green teas.Tead Off wrote:In my experience, gaoshan can take boiling water. I'm not sure if grassy and grainy can be the same flavor profile, just described differently. But, I have had wonderful grainy flavor from gaoshan.
Also, IME, I have been disappointed more from Alishan teas than Lishan and Shan lingxi teas. Generally, the higher the altitude, the better the teas.
Re Ali Shan which is becoming more and more available to the mainstream, I wonder if what has already happened with Dong Ding (DD is more often used to decribe "type" versus tea actually grown on Dong Ding since supply has long been much lower than demand) is beginning to occur with Ali Shan. I have no basis for this, but we see it repeatedly in the recent history of tea. (Darjeeling too)
Or the teas are getting lower and lower in elevation ... and lower grades are more and more blended (with who knows what). Mainstream vendors selling Ali Shan will rarely have the good stuff. And if the price seems too good to be true, it probably is.
Re: Help with Ali Shan
So I took you guys' recommendations for the Ali Shan. I used a higher leaf ratio to the water and even tried a great range of temperatures. However, the only thing i could get out of it was only a moderate sweetness that wasn't very impressive. Perhaps I just got a lesser quality batch or this is a bad year for this oolong. I'll probably end up trading it. thanks guys!
Re: Help with Ali Shan
Let me offer some contrary advice; maybe you could try using less leaf. I know that some high end oolongs go against the usual wisdom of lots of leaf, short brews. I've had a baozhong which was undrinkable when I used a lot of leaf. Bitter and nasty. However with a moderate amount of leaf it compeltely turned around and became fantastic.
So try using a lot less leaf, and steeping a bit longer; might be worth a try before giving up on this tea.
So try using a lot less leaf, and steeping a bit longer; might be worth a try before giving up on this tea.
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That's the way I use for gao shan and sometimes dong ding like oolong. Brewing longer kind of gives sweeter results for an unknown reason.verus wrote:Let me offer some contrary advice; maybe you could try using less leaf. I know that some high end oolongs go against the usual wisdom of lots of leaf, short brews. I've had a baozhong which was undrinkable when I used a lot of leaf. Bitter and nasty. However with a moderate amount of leaf it compeltely turned around and became fantastic.
So try using a lot less leaf, and steeping a bit longer; might be worth a try before giving up on this tea.
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There are many ways to brew tea. All of them are right if they suit the drinker. Gongfu style is not for everyone and every taste. But, for me, gaoshan cha is very suitable for gongfu brewing but this is assuming the tea is good quality.
The tea in question sounds like it is not a very good tea if the brewer is having so much trouble getting a decent cup out of it. I would definitely move on and try other Alishans that people recommend on this board. However, struggling with a tea can be very useful in discovering better brewing techniques.
The tea in question sounds like it is not a very good tea if the brewer is having so much trouble getting a decent cup out of it. I would definitely move on and try other Alishans that people recommend on this board. However, struggling with a tea can be very useful in discovering better brewing techniques.
Re: Help with Ali Shan
Auhckw is selling here some Hojo's Ali Shan which I find very good if you want to try another one.
Re: Help with Ali Shan
There is a saying in Chinese: Good tea is just that, good tea. No matter how long you brew it, it will not become bitter.
It will become strong, however, but all you need to do in this case is dilute with the desired amount of hot water.
I always brew using short infusions because I want to taste the nuances, and the sweetness of the leaf.
If the tea is not high quality tea that produced with care however, it will become astringent or unpalatable when brewed too long.
It will become strong, however, but all you need to do in this case is dilute with the desired amount of hot water.
I always brew using short infusions because I want to taste the nuances, and the sweetness of the leaf.
If the tea is not high quality tea that produced with care however, it will become astringent or unpalatable when brewed too long.