antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?


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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby JBaymore » Nov 15th, '11, 00:46

collector wrote:.........if the rim is gold colour, there is also risk.


Fired gold luster is not usually fluxed with lead...when fired it is usually about 20 to 22 karat gold. So that should not be an issue. And the amount of surface area actually covered by that material is usually VERY minimal anyway.

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 15th, '11, 10:03

Thanks for your answer, John.

After reading the PDF and doing some research, it is certainly worrying the aspect of the presence of lead, almost everywhere around us.

Allow me a question, although it is not directly related to teaware but to an important issue of which teaware could be a part: Do you know if there are effective chelating natural elements?

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby Ludwig-1954 » Nov 15th, '11, 14:38

Good evening Collector

I am not a expert, but I would imagine, that Tea may be an effective
chelating substance.
Simply speaking, a chelating agent "disarms" free radicals (nasty critters) by locking them up (in larger molecules). I hope I am not treading on too many liberal toes ;-) - but is this not precisely what tea is supposed to do?

I never really thought of tea being basically 'republican', I do know however, that some sort of mould was named after Mr. Rumsfeld - perhaps
it would improve some of my spoilt (cheap) puerhs ....

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby JBaymore » Nov 15th, '11, 14:59

collector wrote:Do you know if there are effective chelating natural elements?


collector,

I can speak reasonably well on issues of ceramic toxicology and the technical side of ceramic process. As to making treatment suggestions or recommendations.......

That would get into practicing medicine without a license. :wink:

I really do not know much about chellation therapy. I'd suggest consulting a medical professional about such matters. With something as significant as lead poisoning, treatment should be taken very seriously and you should become very well informed about it. (Remember there a "quacks" out there that can cure everything and that just love to take your money.)

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 15th, '11, 21:42

night.owl wrote:
Chip wrote:But we must all draw our own lines ... some things I just won't do. I won't drink from an internally painted Kutani cup, for instance. It would just distract and worry me too much.


Totally agreed. In fact, I've passed up some very interesting pieces for just that reason. It would annoy me too much not to be able to drink out of them without worrying.


So, from your post I should understand that cold be safe to drink from not internally painted ware?

What about the safety in white and blue coalport, derby HC & A bouquet etc?
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby Chip » Nov 16th, '11, 01:26

I certainly am not technically trained, and unless I want to test everything before using (cannot before buying), I paint this rule with a broad stroke as a result. Some common sense and "general" info found here on TC is all most of us can go by.
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 16th, '11, 07:02

Hello, friends.

What´s your opinion, regarding interest, and safety(i.e. probable presence of toxic elements) in the following pieces. :wink:
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby TIM » Nov 16th, '11, 22:58

collector wrote:Hello, friends.

What´s your opinion, regarding interest, and safety(i.e. probable presence of toxic elements) in the following pieces. :wink:


These are iron stone transfer wares. You are safe. English or penn?
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 16th, '11, 23:14

English.
What is exactly iron transfer?

By the way, how interesting are these pieces?

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby TIM » Nov 16th, '11, 23:28

collector wrote:English.
What is exactly iron transfer?

By the way, how interesting are these pieces?

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19th C. Transfer Export are interesting. A full set of transfer English, French, or Dutch are more interesting. 10 to 12 pieces per item, 12 to 20 items per set.
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby JBaymore » Nov 17th, '11, 10:39

collector wrote:English.
What is exactly iron transfer?


FYI:

Ironstone
http://www.thepotteries.org/types/ironstone.htm

Transferware
http://www.transcollectorsclub.org/faqs ... rware.html

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 17th, '11, 19:18

About the picture entittled "cup1":

Could these stains be cleaned? The golden rim, I suppose is toxic?

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby JBaymore » Nov 17th, '11, 19:19

collector wrote:The golden rim, I suppose is toxic?


JBaymore wrote:
collector wrote:.........if the rim is gold colour, there is also risk.


Fired gold luster is not usually fluxed with lead...when fired it is usually about 20 to 22 karat gold. So that should not be an issue. And the amount of surface area actually covered by that material is usually VERY minimal anyway.

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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby TIM » Nov 17th, '11, 21:05

collector wrote:About the picture entittled "cup1":

Could these stains be cleaned? The golden rim, I suppose is toxic?

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Really... Are you kidding :shock:
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Re: antique porcelain toxicity? safe to drink from old ceramic?

Postby collector » Nov 17th, '11, 22:15

TIM wrote:
collector wrote:About the picture entittled "cup1":

Could these stains be cleaned? The golden rim, I suppose is toxic?

Thanks


Really... Are you kidding :shock:


:) hehehe , No, really. I am new and I am still ignorant of almost all aspects, that´s the reason I am asling so much. So I am very grateful to all your answers :wink:
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