Accessible LBZ/Bingdao


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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby gasninja » Jan 20th, '13, 10:06

teaism I hope we can get together for some LBZ someday. :D

I have never had a humidly stored LBZ. I am very curious as to how that would turn out.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Teaism » Jan 20th, '13, 10:28

gasninja wrote:teaism I hope we can get together for some LBZ someday. :D

I have never had a humidly stored LBZ. I am very curious as to how that would turn out.


gasninja, nice of you and hope we have "yuanfen"(fate) to drink tea together someday :D

So much interesting debate on LBZ, many tea lovers are anticipating it to be a great tea. So far it look promising but the big turn off is the price and authenticity. It is really still a gamble whether it will live up to its expectation. Eventually it up to each individual choice to embark on it..

btw sheng puer should be stored in dry storage.....that will be another long debate and out of this topic... :)

have a great day all my tea friends :wink:
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Tead Off » Feb 18th, '13, 07:35

Tead Off wrote:
Teaism wrote:A very interesting tread. I am really curious how a real LBZ and Bingdao can be accessible. There are many small producer lining up at the mountain and buy directly from the minorities who harvest at the wild arbor. Real stuff is really hard to come by and mostly obtainable via direct contact with the producer who reside there, often smaller producer.
cheaper but in might be the blended stuff. So buyer beware..

The trees from Bingdao, not all of them, are reputedly 600+ years. These trees, according to Tea Urchin's blog, are all leased out to certain producers. They have name plaques hanging around the trees to show which producers are leasing the tree. The only way to know if your Bingdao is all old leaf is to know your producer and trust them. There is obviously a lot of mixing going on.

Prices for old leaf maocha is very high. The only 'deal' you can find is from old stock, not current leaf. I think this area produces very good Puerh and even mixed stuff will be quite good.

Something that I did not quite understand (perhaps due to my not being able to read Chinese characters) is why at the website of Bingdao Tea Refining Factory, the price for a 2011 cake was more than $700 yet I could buy a 2011 cake here in BKK for $250 or so. Today, I discovered that the $700 cake is made from a single tree, not a combination of other ancient trees, but just one. Evidently, the Chinese will pay a premium for these cakes. Will it be better than a cake made from 3 other trees standing right next to it and of the same age but sells for $250? Good marketing?

This Bingdao producer is the real deal, Teaism. The tea quality is exceptional. They also have a 70 year old Tea Master that oversees the production and each cake is hand-signed. Hopefully, that guy has some good students learning from him. From what I've heard, other producers pay him to process their teas which are not Bingdao Tea Refining Factory trees. A good master should make most teas better. Always good to start with the best leaves. As Shah said in another thread, you have to have trust in your vendor and producer, then let your taste guide you.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Teaism » Feb 18th, '13, 12:53

Tead Off wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
Teaism wrote:
This Bingdao producer is the real deal, Teaism. The tea quality is exceptional. They also have a 70 year old Tea Master that oversees the production and each cake is hand-signed. Hopefully, that guy has some good students learning from him. From what I've heard, other producers pay him to process their teas which are not Bingdao Tea Refining Factory trees. A good master should make most teas better. Always good to start with the best leaves. As Shah said in another thread, you have to have trust in your vendor and producer, then let your taste guide you.


Hi Tead Off,

Thanks for the recommendation. I might check them out. I have a very good LBZ collection(during 2008-09 period but not recently due to quality) but not yet on Bingdao. In fact, I just had a 6 hours tea testing session and one of it was on Bingdao pairing by 2 reputable merchant. Still I am not decided to pursue it yet.

I guess the whole tea hunting process is too complex. If we understand how tea is produced from farmer to picker to processor to merchant to market sentiment, we will always be very careful and skeptical. I guess that what makes this hobby so exciting and also frustrating at the same time.

There are too many shades of grey. Tea experiences no matter how much can also be doubtfully right or fatally wrong.....
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby shah82 » Mar 3rd, '13, 02:20

Read and enjoy with appropriate skepticism...

icedtea.com/tea-industry/2012/a-classic-and-the-mix-lao-banzhang/
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby shah82 » Mar 4th, '13, 23:52

Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Catfur » Mar 5th, '13, 00:14

shah82 wrote:Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.


Great, the pu bubble keeps re-inflating to heights unheard of in 2007. Insanity.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Tead Off » Mar 5th, '13, 00:18

Catfur wrote:
shah82 wrote:Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.


Great, the pu bubble keeps re-inflating to heights unheard of in 2007. Insanity.

Welcome to Asia. It's going on in every level of life. Try real estate and the cost of fruits and vegetables. I went to the Chinese doctor yesterday and came away with a 7day supply of herbs costing $90. I was shocked. 3-4 years ago it was half that price.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby SilentChaos » Mar 5th, '13, 01:22

Yeah...just like the Long Yin price.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Bad Jedi » Mar 5th, '13, 10:24

Tead Off wrote:
Catfur wrote:
shah82 wrote:Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.


Great, the pu bubble keeps re-inflating to heights unheard of in 2007. Insanity.

Welcome to Asia. It's going on in every level of life. Try real estate and the cost of fruits and vegetables. I went to the Chinese doctor yesterday and came away with a 7day supply of herbs costing $90. I was shocked. 3-4 years ago it was half that price.


Your doctor wants to feed his family too :)
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby Teaism » Mar 5th, '13, 11:22

Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.

Looks like the prices dropped. Genuine LBZ as I know it never went below 2000RMB/kg recently.
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Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby debunix » Mar 5th, '13, 12:38

Kg of dried Mao Cha, correct?
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby shah82 » Mar 5th, '13, 13:41

This was taken from 三多普洱茶苑 blog.

In RMB terms, AAA grade or whatever "good quality" means, Bingdao is 8000RMB/kg and LBZ is 5000RMB/kg.

There's no way that's not the fixed maocha. A tong of tea is the same as a Chinese car.

One would have to be very rich or very insane to purchase tea at those prices. I think it just merely codifies the unavailability of elite tea.

In a way, this is frustrating because I have no true idea of what Bingdao even tastes/feels like, given the total fakery that goes on.
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby TIM » Mar 5th, '13, 13:47

So per cake is a little less than $1000 US?
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Re: Accessible LBZ/Bingdao

Postby gingkoseto » Mar 5th, '13, 19:36

Tead Off wrote:
Catfur wrote:
shah82 wrote:Early spring auctions are that Bingdao is ~$1200/kg and Lao Banzhang is ~$900/kg for spring tea this year.


Great, the pu bubble keeps re-inflating to heights unheard of in 2007. Insanity.

Welcome to Asia. It's going on in every level of life. Try real estate and the cost of fruits and vegetables. I went to the Chinese doctor yesterday and came away with a 7day supply of herbs costing $90. I was shocked. 3-4 years ago it was half that price.

Indeed! A lot of Chinese medicines (which are produced in China too) are a lot cheaper in Canada than in China :shock: even without adjustment of income difference in the two countries.
On the other hand, maybe the day will come when we buy cheaper tea in America than in China (which actually already happened on some teas) :mrgreen:
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