Oolong vessels

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby yalokinh » Mar 3rd, '13, 09:41

Why?
They don't have to be expensive, and despite this, it'd the best gaiwan I've had. price has no importance

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby edkrueger » Mar 3rd, '13, 10:34

A $10 gaiwan is going to be better than something that tick.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby Suutej_Tsaj » Mar 3rd, '13, 13:31

yalokinh wrote:Why?
They don't have to be expensive, and despite this, it'd the best gaiwan I've had. price has no importance


Not that, the $100 one you posted earlier. As you said, I'd rather buy $100 of tea.

edkrueger wrote:A $10 gaiwan is going to be better than something that tick.


Which makes me wonder: how do thick walls affect tea? Is it something about keeping it warm?

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby edkrueger » Mar 3rd, '13, 15:35

It sucks you all the heat from the water. Cooling tea and burning fingers. You can't make a seal with thick material. Pouring function is compromised. In short, as far as I can tell it isn't even a gaiwan.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby SilentChaos » Mar 3rd, '13, 15:42

Just a side comment: if you want to do comparative tasting, this is great too - http://www.adagio.com/teaware/tasting_set.html?SID=dc54000e0686483631b051b0958dc93a

...though Adagio is out of stock.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby yalokinh » Mar 3rd, '13, 23:46

Like i said, i grab the gaiwan from the base, so i never have a problem with heat. And i have never done infusions lasting more than 40s, so the drop in temp isnt that big. I dont have any problems with it

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby Evan Draper » Mar 4th, '13, 00:09

SilentChaos wrote:Just a side comment: if you want to do comparative tasting, this is great too - http://www.adagio.com/teaware/tasting_set.html?SID=dc54000e0686483631b051b0958dc93a

...though Adagio is out of stock.


To follow a tangent, these are cheapest ones I'd seen, but the lack of an airhole proved to be a problem. Luckily, I knew someone who could drill holes in the lids for me.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby edkrueger » Mar 4th, '13, 09:46

I like my set pretty well. Do you find that the addition of an air whole really helped?

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby sandra » Mar 25th, '13, 10:15

i am a huge fan of oolongs, and use a plain simple gaiwan.
best (& cheapest )option imho for oolongs.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby Evan Draper » Mar 25th, '13, 17:08

edkrueger wrote:I like my set pretty well. Do you find that the addition of an air whole really helped?

Definitely. Without an air hole the cupping sets didn't pour as well. I seem to remember having more accidents where the lid suddenly pops off and spills tea everywhere once the pressure seal broke.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby Tead Off » Mar 26th, '13, 04:44

Evan Draper wrote:
edkrueger wrote:I like my set pretty well. Do you find that the addition of an air whole really helped?

Definitely. Without an air hole the cupping sets didn't pour as well. I seem to remember having more accidents where the lid suddenly pops off and spills tea everywhere once the pressure seal broke.

+1.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby thirst » Mar 26th, '13, 11:02

AdamMY wrote:
Suutej_Tsaj wrote:
AdamMY wrote:
edkrueger wrote:Wow, that looks impressively impractical!


For how most of us use Gaiwans yes... When I first saw that I was wondering how the heck would someone even use it. I do not know its exact dimensions, but I figure you are supposed to grip the "saucer" and pour while securing the lid either with a finger, or the palm of your hand.


Yes, many gaiwans seem impractical to me. However, they also look kind of "neuter": they won't "absorb" the tea like hagi pottery does and are usually the right size for brewing tea cup to cup. I might give one of these a try - not the one posted by yalokinh, though. :lol:


Oh don't get me wrong I think Gaiwans are great, just not for Japanese teas. While gaiwans have a bit more of a learning curve on using them than most teapots, their simplicity is somewhat beautiful in how well they accomplish their task.


Do you say that because Japanese greens are so thin and small or is there another reason? I do use my gaiwans for steeping Japanese greens, I don't mind if a bit of leaf ends up in my cup.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby thirst » Mar 26th, '13, 11:10

SilentChaos wrote:Just a side comment: if you want to do comparative tasting, this is great too - http://www.adagio.com/teaware/tasting_set.html?SID=dc54000e0686483631b051b0958dc93a

...though Adagio is out of stock.


Stéphane still sells something that looks like it could be the same:
http://teamasters.blogspot.de/2006/07/w ... ng_11.html

I don’t like the form much though, so I’d rather buy lots of small gaiwans for comparative tasting.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby Evan Draper » Mar 27th, '13, 11:38

Evan Draper wrote:
edkrueger wrote:I like my set pretty well. Do you find that the addition of an air whole really helped?

Definitely. Without an air hole the cupping sets didn't pour as well. I seem to remember having more accidents where the lid suddenly pops off and spills tea everywhere once the pressure seal broke.

To beat a dead horse, the whole point of cupping sets is testing MANY samples at once, so you can't be firing off a line of 10 samples and then find out that some of them won't pour and are still over-infusing in the cup! Back in the day, I saw a lot of vendors that charged like $20 each for ONE cupping set, so it was worth the hassle to fix Adagio's hole-less ones, which cost something like $9 apiece when I bought 6. At this point I'm plenty confident around a gaiwan, but I cannot imagine it's worth futzing around with a long row of them with timers going off. Gaiwan's elegant form belongs on everyone's tea table; cupping sets work better in the tea lab.

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Re: Oolong vessels

Postby edkrueger » Mar 27th, '13, 12:17

For someone who know nothing about drilling holes in things, how did you do it?

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