jayinhk wrote:If you drink pu erh, you definitely want to be rinsing the stuff! Sometimes you have to pick out your free gift: cigarette butts, turds, dead lizards, sticks, nylon string, etc. I wonder if anyone ever got a used condom in their bing?
jayinhk wrote:I've only seen thin green string myself, but I know other people have seen worse. Bugs living in your pu can actually be considered a good thing some places!
William wrote:jayinhk wrote:I've only seen thin green string myself, but I know other people have seen worse. Bugs living in your pu can actually be considered a good thing some places!
For myself, the hygiene is a fundamental requirement for all types of tea. So, any type of tea with extraneous material, will go straight into the garbage.
Consider it as a merely personal opinion.
jayinhk wrote:I totally understand, but some of the most interesting pu may have these issues. It's impossible to know how your tea was handled before it got to you, so the hygiene thing may be difficult to determine, even if there aren't any foreign objects in your tea!
jayinhk wrote:I totally understand, but some of the most interesting pu may have these issues.
jayinhk wrote:It's impossible to know how your tea was handled before it got to you, so the hygiene thing may be difficult to determine, even if there aren't any foreign objects in your tea!
William wrote:I understand, and this is why it is important for me to have a close relationship based on trust between me and the various tea vendors from which I purchase. If I receive tea with foreign material, or if I have more than a doubt about the hygienic aspect, this relationship will break immediately.
theredbaron wrote:William wrote:
This has nothing to do with vendors, but with production.
theredbaron wrote:Anyhow, i would worry much less about one or the other strange item that can be found occasionally in Pu Erh - that will neither kill nor harm you.
theredbaron wrote:Herbicides, pesticides, and other environmental poisons are far more problematic - and you don't see them. But that is a problem not just with tea, but with all food items.
Even countries with the most stringent laws have regular scandals. And in some countries items are allowed which are not in others - such as genetically modified veggies in the US, which will not be allowed into many European countries (Monsanto and their genetically modified crap - one of my particular pet hates...).
If you are from the US, and bought in supermarkets, or eaten in restaurants, you most definitely have eaten far more unhealthy food already, and possibly do on a regular base, than what you may find in Pu Erh.
William wrote:Is the seller who chooses who to buy the tea, which then proposes to the customer. If he does not know or does not consider the problem concerning pesticides, fertilizers and methods with which the tea was produced, in my opinion it is not a good seller.
William wrote:theredbaron wrote:William wrote:
With what you expect - i can only suggest to stay away from tea.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I prefer to have faith in trusted sellers.
theredbaron wrote:In China, India, etc - where the bulk of tea comes from - there simply are no strict government controls or enforcement of standards as in Europe. This concept just does not exist here in Asia yet.
theredbaron wrote:No seller can guarantee for something that is out of his control. Tea production and processing is out of a vendors control.
If a vendor guarantees you that a particular tea grown and processed in Asia (with maybe Japan and Taiwan as a tentative exception, somewhat, but if you look how forthcoming Japan is with information on all environmental issues...) is chemical free by European standards, or produced by European standard hygiene - then that vendor is not to be trusted.
In China, India, etc - where the bulk of tea comes from - there simply are no strict government controls or enforcement of standards as in Europe. This concept just does not exist here in Asia yet.
A vendor might try to convince his sources to introduce hygienic standards, and might have, over time, slowly, some partial success, but that's about it. But in a continent with so many urgent problems, European food safety standards are quite on the back on the list things to enforce.
But I want to ask you something, how is it possible that there are some (few) sellers, also known enough here on the forum, that are able to offer a more or less wide range of tea products from organic or low pesticide tea garden garden, whether it's Japanese green teas rather than Taiwanese oolong teas or pu-erh Chinese teas, and other vendors (the majority) that offer a more or less wide range of tea, but that none of these comes from organic or low pesticide tea garden garden.
It would seem then, that they are only two potential solutions, or the first lie, or seconds do not want to/can not offer such products.