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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby chrl42 » Mar 14th, '14, 21:09

Teaism wrote:I have the book for some time and use it for reference when hunting for teapots. But please be careful as there are a lot of fakes out there now. The fakers also have the same book.

From experience, I can spot them easily in the past based on clay and also the way the pot is done but the recent ones I have seen is getting almost impossible to detect. Have to go to the extend or using 30X lupe to study the clay and they also fake to that microscopic level. The clay, the workmanship and the "smell" almost like real old piece :shock:

Also some new books also publish fake as real.

Please be careful!

Cheers! :D

It depends on editors or writers.

5~70s F1 Hongni (the type William's pot had) had depleted by the early-80s. You won't find on after-80s pots. :)


Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s, but kyarazen's book was published in 80s, during the 80s, the moulds would be kept from leaking out of Factory-1.
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby wert » Mar 14th, '14, 21:20

chrl42 wrote:It depends on editors or writers.

5~70s F1 Hongni (the type William's pot had) had depleted by the early-80s. You won't find on after-80s pots. :)


Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s, but kyarazen's book was published in 80s, during the 80s, the moulds would be kept from leaking out of Factory-1.

Actually, that book (鈺壶雅集) was first published in 1994.
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby chrl42 » Mar 15th, '14, 03:58

wert wrote:
chrl42 wrote:It depends on editors or writers.

5~70s F1 Hongni (the type William's pot had) had depleted by the early-80s. You won't find on after-80s pots. :)


Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s, but kyarazen's book was published in 80s, during the 80s, the moulds would be kept from leaking out of Factory-1.

Actually, that book (鈺壶雅集) was first published in 1994.

ok...my apologies.. :oops:
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby William » Mar 15th, '14, 06:04

chrl42 wrote:Tie Hua Xuan, Wu De Xing, Li Yong etc these studios during the ROC were to export to Japan and SE asia, but mostly for Japan.


Also, carving the Heart Sutra have been Japanese fashion done on teawares like Kyusu or Hohin...Yixing potters imitated those for Japanese market to export.


Thanks Chrl!

chrl42 wrote:Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s


So, if we seek publication of the ~80s or before, the possibility of finding imitations published as true pieces, are lower?
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby chrl42 » Mar 15th, '14, 08:59

William wrote:
chrl42 wrote:Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s


So, if we seek publication of the ~80s or before, the possibility of finding imitations published as true pieces, are lower?

This is to include kyarazen's book, most of old publications don't really have *fakes* in the books.

Especially HK publications, who had direct a commercial route with Yixing Factory-1. The books covering Factory-1 goods are pretty few anyway.
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby Teaism » Mar 15th, '14, 09:47

The books are good for shape reference only. Personally for me, for buying consideration, my first priority is the clay. If the clay clay is good, I will go for it. After a long time, the clay can be easily identifiable, whether they are from 70s,80s or later but still there is no fool proof approach. At times, I have love-hate relationship with Yixing teapots. But that doesn't stop me from buying them. I still have a lot of reliable sources and many teachers to teach me, so it is a long but nice journey....love-hate sometimes, just like any relationship. :D

Cheers! :D
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby William » Mar 15th, '14, 09:54

chrl42 wrote:This is to include kyarazen's book, most of old publications don't really have *fakes* in the books.

Especially HK publications, who had direct a commercial route with Yixing Factory-1. The books covering Factory-1 goods are pretty few anyway.


Thanks for the clarification. :D
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby kyarazen » Mar 15th, '14, 11:06

chrl42 wrote:This is to include kyarazen's book, most of old publications don't really have *fakes* in the books.

Especially HK publications, who had direct a commercial route with Yixing Factory-1. The books covering Factory-1 goods are pretty few anyway.


chrl42 wrote:Most of F1 imitations came out after the 90s, but kyarazen's book was published in 80s, during the 80s, the moulds would be kept from leaking out of Factory-1.


hahaha. you make it sound like i wrote that book. i dont think i've posted any content from that book before nor any books that i had gone through, and if i start posting, i think the forum will be pissed at the spam and the publishers will come after me :lol: :lol:

books are a source of information and propaganda. similarly are internet sources, offline shops, online stores, and also sources from people both inside and outside china, both chinese reading and non chinese.

knowing too much of the trade turns you into a skeptic, reading too deep into books occludes one's rationality when books become "references", unable to obtain a dream piece of teaware results in sleepless nights.. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby kyarazen » Mar 15th, '14, 11:12

Teaism wrote:The books are good for shape reference only. Personally for me, for buying consideration, my first priority is the clay. If the clay clay is good, I will go for it. After a long time, the clay can be easily identifiable, whether they are from 70s,80s or later but still there is no fool proof approach. At times, I have love-hate relationship with Yixing teapots. But that doesn't stop me from buying them. I still have a lot of reliable sources and many teachers to teach me, so it is a long but nice journey....love-hate sometimes, just like any relationship. :D

Cheers! :D


absolutely :) as long as the clay is good, fired well, it can make tea well and also become more beautiful through usage. i would go for these objectives too

cheers!
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby bagua7 » Mar 16th, '14, 03:57

Teaism wrote:At times, I have love-hate relationship with Yixing teapots. But that doesn't stop me from buying them.


Agree with you, my friend. Those things can really ruin or weaken a brewing session if they don't like that particular tea. That's why the old mantra keeps coming back: in case of doubt use a gaiwan Om! :lol:
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby wert » Mar 16th, '14, 08:56

kyarazen wrote:Image

Wow! Sadly, I have only a few of those. Far too lazy to read most of time :) I think some study of books is very useful before buying teapots. The books can help but it doesn't solve everything or a magic pass. Still they would at the very least, help you avoid some tuition if you used them intelligently.
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby chrl42 » Mar 16th, '14, 09:11

wert wrote:
kyarazen wrote:

Wow! Sadly, I have only a few of those. Far too lazy to read most of time :) I think some study of books are very useful if you want to buy teapots. The books can help but it doesn't solve everything or it is a magic pass. Still would at the very least, help you avoid some tuition if you used them intelligently.

That 荆溪紫砂器 is a real good book. Tang Ren Gong Yi has many publications and very renown, but the prices aren't that cheap. :P

Here are my favorites,

韩其楼 - 紫砂壶全书
朱泥宝记
朱泽伟 - 宜兴紫砂矿料

I agree books are just to be advised. But it's good there are still some worth to be advised, out there :)
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby bagua7 » Mar 16th, '14, 18:35

chrl42 wrote:That 荆溪紫砂器 is a real good book


I can see an English title there, what is it please?
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

Postby kyarazen » Mar 20th, '14, 13:03

saw a familiar marking today :mrgreen:

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