Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

[chrl42]

Nice! Thanks Chris. You are the best!! But if she was born in 1965 and became a craftsman in 1987 at the age of 22. Will this be a later product? :

wow..that's sensitive spot. Apparently that pot is late-70's~early-80's stuff.

I have a similar experience..with a pot made by 吴彩珍, she entered F1 in 85, but that pot was made during late-70's~early-80's.

Or it could be made by other persons with the same name. There are 3 ways to think.

1.different person with the same name
2.potter's birthday is not correct
3.pot's creation date is not correct

I will add more info when I get it, sorry bud.

[bagua7]

This whole thing shows how easy is to master knowledge about Yixing zisha.

chrl42,

Could you take a look at this page and let us know whether those pots are made by a studio, group of studios and also what kind of level they belong to.

http://www.chinazsh.com/index.php

I have also come across clays (using Google translator) called as "clear cement" and "red mud." What are they exactly? (Perhaps the translation was incorrect).

Thanks!

[chrl42]

I looked at the website..what pot or potter are you referring to?

There are many pots on that site. They are moderate potters. I've seen 章逸华. But don't take so much meaning on level and name (except for special potters). Many don't even make pots, just run their studios and let students make etc..

'clear cement' must be Qing Shui Ni, since 清 means clear 水泥 is cement. 'red mud' I think is Zhuni.

[TIM]

I looked at the website..what pot or potter are you referring to?

There are many pots on that site. They are moderate potters. I've seen 章逸华. But don't take so much meaning on level and name (except for special potters). Many don't even make pots, just run their studios and let students make etc..

'clear cement' must be Qing Shui Ni, since 清 means clear 水泥 is cement. 'red mud' I think is Zhuni.

What are the prices for 周桂珍 pots these days Chris?

[chrl42]

I looked at the website..what pot or potter are you referring to?

There are many pots on that site. They are moderate potters. I've seen 章逸华. But don't take so much meaning on level and name (except for special potters). Many don't even make pots, just run their studios and let students make etc..

'clear cement' must be Qing Shui Ni, since 清 means clear 水泥 is cement. 'red mud' I think is Zhuni.

What are the prices for 周桂珍 pots these days Chris?

There are pots selling from their own website, there are also pots selling thru their forum, many of forum potters are renown ones but looks like needing a special procedure in order to look at their pots.

Zhou Gui Zhen is the grand master, nowadays most grand master pots go over 20,000 usd

[TIM]

US$20k! Chris ... For real!? Thanks
Do you wanna release one for me I pay outstanding commissions, partner

[debunix]

Hi Chris. Happy New Year! Could you kindly explain to us how you came to those conclusions thru these photos, pretty please

My explanation comes from a catalog from 80's,

Very cool! I'm quite surprised to realize that the plate was definitely part of the intended set. I tried to look up the clay type on google, and was referred back to TeaChat (no surprise, really), to this post:

Qing Shui ni is not high grade of Zisha, Qing Shui ni is called Pu ni (normal clay), Qing Shui ni is usually mined from mid part of Zisha ore and is what makes up most of Zisha. Must be of pure clay without any mixing tried. However, Huanglong mountain's Qing Shui ni is somewhat different, it's still treated 'one of sought-after clay'.

Since this appears to be a very ordinary factory product, I presume it's the less valued version of this Zisha clay?

It wouldn't really matter much if it were a more fabled clay, though, due to the impractical size, as it won't get used for any prized tea--it would swallow a whole tuo and have room for more leaf.....

[chrl42]

Since this appears to be a very ordinary factory product, I presume it's the less valued version of this Zisha clay?

It wouldn't really matter much if it were a more fabled clay, though, due to the impractical size, as it won't get used for any prized tea--it would swallow a whole tuo and have room for more leaf.....

No. Factory-1 was founded with a philosophy of communism. It was run by goverment. Founders were Yixing's greatest potters so highest quality clays belonged to Factory-1 too. During 50~early-80's, the clays were not so much different from masters'. Later days Factory-1, as demand grew and size got bigger, situation got a little bit messed up though.

You can never look down on CR(Cultural Revolution) Qing Shui Ni, I think they beat nowadays' Di Cao Qing in quality. Just to say it simple, mine no.4 belonged to Factory-1 and its hired potters.

[chrl42]

US$20k! Chris ... For real!? Thanks
Do you wanna release one for me I pay outstanding commissions, partner

I wish I could release one

[Ludwig-1954]

Hello Salib

here are some links that will help you with our teapot knotting:

teapot String

http://puerh-tea.livejournal.com/101478.html

http://camelliasinensisblog.blogspot.co ... ne-on.html

http://webpages.charter.net/yvonnechang ... cknots.htm
(portugese or flat knot)

http://www.sevencups.com/about-tea/tea-video/
(Video instructions, on youtube too)


There is more out there on portugese or flat knots, this being the
traditional name.

Have fun
Patrick B. Ludwig

[wh&yel-apprentice]

Nice! Thanks Chris. You are the best!! But if she was born in 1965 and became a craftsman in 1987 at the age of 22. Will this be a later product? :

wow..that's sensitive spot. Apparently that pot is late-70's~early-80's stuff.

I have a similar experience..with a pot made by 吴彩珍, she entered F1 in 85, but that pot was made during late-70's~early-80's.

Or it could be made by other persons with the same name. There are 3 ways to think.

1.different person with the same name
2.potter's birthday is not correct
3.pot's creation date is not correct

or...correct answer is ???
4. all of the above

The 'original' GM (1st accorded 1988) is of course Gu Jingzhou, born 1915?

In 1988 Gu Jingzhou was entitled as the National Traditional Art Master of China. This is the highest honor of Chinese Zisha makers. He was considered as one of the greatest Zisha Masters in the history.

and deceased 1996...or, maybe not...see below!

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/34957 ... 2-million/

Published: June 22, 2010

In addition to a cultivated taste for tea, the Chinese also have a penchant for teapots. Last month, a 1948 purple clay Yixing zisha teapot by the master ceramicist Gu Jingzhou sold for nearly $2 million at a China Guardian auction in Beijing, topping the list of the most expensive Yixing teapots in the world.

A living legend at almost 100 years old, Gu has honed a sophisticated craftsmanship that can measure up to that of Ming court artisans of the 14th century.

Sold for nearly $2M (USD equiv) in 2009?

Deceased @81 in 1996, yet still alive and living legend in 2010? :p

I saw two dates for this pot also, one said 1946 the other 1948...must be one is a fake , calligraphy on this one by another famous GM artist- Tan Quanhai.

[wh&yel-apprentice]

I've seen 章逸华. But don't take so much meaning on level and name (except for special potters). Many don't even make pots, just run their studios and let students make etc..

'clear cement' must be Qing Shui Ni, since 清 means clear 水泥 is cement. 'red mud' I think is Zhuni.

Or they still make pots/ceramics for special occasions/museums/requests...and the rest are just supervised students, who could be higher level masters?

What are the prices for 周桂珍 pots these days Chris?

There are pots selling from their own website, there are also pots selling thru their forum, many of forum potters are renown ones but looks like needing a special procedure in order to look at their pots.

Zhou Gui Zhen is the grand master, nowadays most grand master pots go over 20,000 usd

Depends on what the source is, auctions usually set the records, end up being wildly speculative.

http://www.teapot-collection.com/collec ... cts_id=477

^nice, but perhaps not 'museum' level? Made in 1980's by Zhou Gui Zhen, *only* $9,600 usd

And then you have the GM's early works, more simple or just less desirable works that can be had for <20k, or even <10k.

The most recent GM, you can see some early works for just $1,400 (a steal, yes?) : http://www.teapot-collection.com/collec ... rers_id=16


or the more elaborate auction setting $85,000 piece here by 2007 GM Gu Shaopei :

http://www.yeyoungtea.com/zisha-teapot.php

Conclusion: you should not expect to buy a utilitarian teapot made of true Zisha clay for less than a few hundred dollars regardless of how the pot looks or what the dealer tells you, less should you expect to buy a basic Zisha teapot made by Grandmaster for less than $10,000 from the local dealers today.

[chrl42]

Depends on what the source is, auctions usually set the records, end up being wildly speculative.

http://www.teapot-collection.com/collec ... cts_id=477

^nice, but perhaps not 'museum' level? Made in 1980's by Zhou Gui Zhen, *only* $9,600 usd

And then you have the GM's early works, more simple or just less desirable works that can be had for <20k, or even <10k.

You are joking, of course. GM only used 'zhong guo yi xing' stamp during Factoy-1 year. I attached 'zhongguo yixing' stamp used in F1.

Compare with yours.


Nor it's hand-made.

[chrl42]

The most recent GM, you can see some early works for just $1,400 (a steal, yes?) http://www.teapot-collection.com/collec ... cts_id=483

This looks Factory-1 stuff. Half-hand commercial product. Oops I see similar creation http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=110 ... 2873607784 price as cheap as 500 RMB.

Interpretation: This mould (not pot) can't go older than 80's but Gao Shaopei didn't (no way) make commercial F1 pot in Factory with unknown students.

or the more elaborate auction setting $85,000 piece here by 2007 GM Gu Shaopei :

http://www.yeyoungtea.com/zisha-teapot.php

1. Gu Shaopei doesn't make pot himself. Even if he does, he mainly do the carving, not making. Carving GM (Tan Quanhai, Bao Zhiqiang)'s pot can't be high as making masters such as Zhou Gui Zhen, Wang Yin Xian, or even Lu Yao Chen etc
2. It was 07, GM pots doubled the price starting 09, with China economic boom and CCTV's ad on Yixing teapot.

I thought I credited the price too low (20k), for the exact price..try to spend time to know in China I will stop here.

[TIM]

Zhou Guizhen 周桂珍

仿鼓壺. Made 1999, Don't know the clay, Smooth pour and clean. One of my favorite light Wuyi pot. 150 ml.

http://themandarinstea.blogspot.com/200 ... -pots.html