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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by ethan » Jun 24th, '17, 05:52

jayinhk wrote: I know the kraft paper pouches are popular, but I got green tea in one in China and the smell of the adhesive was horrendous! It scared me away from them. I now stick to plain PVC pouches and double vacuum seal them, and I have a label printer, so no need to write on the bags.
You are set up well.

I never stuff pouches so much that the ziplocks are strained; so, I don't need to seal above the ziplocks. Pouches have stayed closed without problems. I bought Stockdepot's best (extra thick at 5.6 mil) but got samples of others. All pouches did not smell bad and all had good ziplocks. I've bought tea from a few vendors that came in Kraft paper/foil pouches and never smelled anything bad. I doubt that the adhesive issue is common, but if I buy more pouches I will buy from Stockdepot again (made in USA) since the net price (shipping plus product) is about the same as what comes from China.

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by jayinhk » Jun 25th, '17, 01:14

ethan wrote:
jayinhk wrote: I know the kraft paper pouches are popular, but I got green tea in one in China and the smell of the adhesive was horrendous! It scared me away from them. I now stick to plain PVC pouches and double vacuum seal them, and I have a label printer, so no need to write on the bags.
You are set up well.

I never stuff pouches so much that the ziplocks are strained; so, I don't need to seal above the ziplocks. Pouches have stayed closed without problems. I bought Stockdepot's best (extra thick at 5.6 mil) but got samples of others. All pouches did not smell bad and all had good ziplocks. I've bought tea from a few vendors that came in Kraft paper/foil pouches and never smelled anything bad. I doubt that the adhesive issue is common, but if I buy more pouches I will buy from Stockdepot again (made in USA) since the net price (shipping plus product) is about the same as what comes from China.
Yup, sticking with what's tried and tested sounds like the way to go. PVC isn't ideal either, but it is lightweight and cheap and I like sending tea vacuum sealed to prevent aroma/moisture transfer. I've tried both Baozhong and Wuyicha that had turned into something like pu erh from exposure to the atmosphere! I keep most of my oolong in an air conditioned room, away from the humid rooms I store my pu erh in.

It's essential to keep oolongs airtight in this part of the world because it deteriorates so fast unless stored carefully! I've been throwing in those sealing rods with each bag of oolong/green tea so buyers can keep their tea airtight once they open up the bags.

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by Psyck » Jun 25th, '17, 05:23

I prefer aluminium foil ziplock for storing teas. It is very easy to squeeze out the excess air in them so they are better at keeping air, light, moisture, etc. out compared to paper or plastic pouches.

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by Psyck » Jun 25th, '17, 05:26

jayinhk wrote: ...
It's essential to keep oolongs airtight in this part of the world because it deteriorates so fast unless stored carefully! I've been throwing in those sealing rods with each bag of oolong/green tea so buyers can keep their tea airtight once they open up the bags.
Yeah, most of my plastic food sealing clips are used for sealing teas :)

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by joelbct » Jun 25th, '17, 14:06

Drinking some decent and excellently-priced Puttabong Organic from Jayshree direct, one of 15 Darjeeling sku's they have listed currently.

Looks green, tastes a bit green-white, with hints of subtle oxidization. Interestingly, taste seemed improved on this session when left to cool down to room temp.

To continue the storage thread, Jay Shree ships in vacuum sealed non-resealable, heavy-duty foil bags that I'm sure keep the tea very fresh when sealed.

This 100g I just put in a mason jar in a dark cabinet. The 2x 500g foils I have from them, I kept in the foils, taped, inside plain oversize clear zip-locks, inside sterilite moisture+air "resistant" tubs, in the basement. I should probably figure out a better way to store them though.

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by ethan » Jul 2nd, '17, 20:41

Drinking Championship Black 2016 from Dr Chen's, hot; though it is 88F in this steaming apartment whose air conditioning broke yesterday. It is cooler outside than in the apartment.

I've been drinking Thai whole leaf black tea with spices from Tea-Village in Thailand with lots of ice and sweetened condensed milk. It is tasty and a real cooler. I drank so much the calories are adding up.

So plain hot black tea should keep me from gaining too much weight. And this tea is so delicious and complex. I now put a first and second infusion in a server and let it cool a bit; but it is still hot.

This championship

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by kuánglóng » Jul 12th, '17, 07:42

2015 2nd flush Jun Chiyabari Himalayan Rolled Tips (organic)

I've been drinking this tea for almost two years now, and it matures just beautifully in individual 100g multi-layer bags. As long as you don't really oversteep it there's almost no astringency here, not necessarily a good thing in my book. Taste wise I get a nice masala of pretty intense fruity notes (oranges), a bit of cocoa, somewhat close to some Yunnanese yellow teas I've sampled a while ago but this Chiyabari has some extra warm spicyness, almost like Nuremberg almond gingerbread. On the downside there are no real dynamics to speak of; this must be one of the most reliable / least finicky teas I care to remember but I usually favor more challenging leaves - YMMV.

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by ethan » Jul 12th, '17, 11:24

kuanglong,

Very well written description of that tea. I wish I was as good as you are at identifying and describing particular flavors. When I prepare a Himalayan black tea, I want particular flavors; so, it is most interesting to me that you find the "reliability" of getting those flavors slightly boring.

I had that exact tea and other black teas from Jun Chiyabari in 20-gram foil bags which I opened after 2 years a few months back. Initially the tea was flat. The leaves needed a week or so in ceramic tea caddies to come back to life to produce flavors you describe so well.

When I was first enjoying the black teas from Jun Chiyabari, I cared about the differences of their offerings. Now that I am drinking that type of tea only several times a month, I find it easy to be happy with the one that I bought in large quantity (Himalayan Orange).

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Re: Official what Black (Red) Tea Are You Drinking Right Now?

by kuánglóng » Jul 14th, '17, 06:17

ethan wrote: kuanglong,

Very well written description of that tea. I wish I was as good as you are at identifying and describing particular flavors. When I prepare a Himalayan black tea, I want particular flavors; so, it is most interesting to me that you find the "reliability" of getting those flavors slightly boring.
I had that exact tea and other black teas from Jun Chiyabari in 20-gram foil bags which I opened after 2 years a few months back. Initially the tea was flat. The leaves needed a week or so in ceramic tea caddies to come back to life to produce flavors you describe so well.

When I was first enjoying the black teas from Jun Chiyabari, I cared about the differences of their offerings. Now that I am drinking that type of tea only several times a month, I find it easy to be happy with the one that I bought in large quantity (Himalayan Orange).
Thanks, Ethan.
I've had my share of really nice stuff over the years but at the end of the day what I'm really interested in is drinking teas that match a specific moment or situation as closely as possible.
Interestingly it doesn't need to be anything exotic - more often than not it's just some rather humble stuff. Right now I'm drinking some El Cheapo 2013 Xiaguan 8653 sheng pu, it does the trick just beautifully and I wouldn't want to change it for any other tea.
The drawback? I don't know any tea I could drink on a daily basis anymore; right now you couldn't force me to drink any oolong or any of my beloved Darjeelings, no matter how flavorful or whatnot ... oh well :lol:

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