2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by apache » Mar 19th 13 1:35 pm

Now they even have graph telling you the price movement, isn't this become like shares trading?
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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by lordsbm » Mar 19th 13 1:56 pm

apache wrote:Now they event have graph telling you the price movement, isn't this become like shares trading?
:lol: Going with the flow with tea speculation I guess. It is like shares. Even XG is being targeted, like 2012 8853 was around 90RMB when released last year now 160RMB, almost doubled in 1 year :lol:

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by futurebird » Mar 19th 13 5:46 pm

but what does it taste like?????

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by lordsbm » Mar 20th 13 12:03 am

futurebird wrote:but what does it taste like?????
U mean 8853 or Gold? 8853 is said to taste better than other recent year XG higher end products like black gold, white gold, cha huang.

Don't intent to try at the current prices, I'll likely find pure mountain arbor/old tree white paper for less. :lol:

Yesterday I was looking at a reviewed 2004 dry stored zhang jia san dui 250g for less than 150 RMB. Given that shop high prices, one may find the same item for 20-40% less in retail shops :lol:

I came across a season tea drink said, nowadays are paying extra for brand and history, rather than the tea itself. :roll:

Edit: Something I read that's new to me (actually everything is lol). Prices of batches like DY 7572 201 & 202 are pre-determined by official taster. Not really based on material seasons.

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by gingkoseto » Mar 20th 13 1:29 am

Exempt wrote: From that picture it does look fairly fermented, however if you look at some other pictures it looks a lot fresher. I've attached the picture from DTH
This tea is advertised to be a blended tea with aged leaves (no statement about how aged they are). Basically this kind of thing is what dayi is good at and why this tea is a lot more expensive than other dayi - not that any of this justifies its current market price... that's never dayi's concern :mrgreen:

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by gingkoseto » Mar 20th 13 1:33 am

lordsbm wrote: Edit: Something I read that's new to me (actually everything is lol). Prices of batches like DY 7572 201 & 202 are pre-determined by official taster. Not really based on material seasons.
I'm not even sure if the price is pre-determined by official taster - but I do believe the price is pre-determined.
A more cynical saying about dayi price is, step 1, price is determined; step 2, profit margin is determined; step 3, production cost is calculated after considering advertising costs and other costs; step 4, they buy leaves according to their production cost calculated at step 3.
It sounds rather cynical, but I could believe it, and that's basically what everybody else does in the fashion world :wink:

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by lordsbm » Mar 20th 13 1:39 am

gingkoseto wrote:This tea is advertised to be a blended tea with aged leaves (no statement about how aged they are). Basically this kind of thing is what dayi is good at and why this tea is a lot more expensive than other dayi - not that any of this justifies its current market price... that's never dayi's concern :mrgreen:
I think most of the branded gold series market around having aged leaves in their blend. Normally around the 100RMB mark. But ya, doesn't justified the speculated price. I think the original released price was acceptable :roll:

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by lordsbm » Mar 20th 13 1:45 am

gingkoseto wrote: I'm not even sure if the price is pre-determined by official taster - but I do believe the price is pre-determined.
A more cynical saying about dayi price is, step 1, price is determined; step 2, profit margin is determined; step 3, production cost is calculated after considering advertising costs and other costs; step 4, they buy leaves according to their production cost calculated at step 3.
It sounds rather cynical, but I could believe it, and that's basically what everybody else does in the fashion world :wink:
Ya that's the other version I heard also. Both versions makes sense to me :lol: Not only fashion world, but the whole business world.

In the olden days, most successful businessman (Singapore/Malaysia) will jacked up at least 4 times the cost. Then when others start bring similar items they'll 1/2 price their product and stopped selling after they cleared their stocks. :lol: Some still practice this, but it's harder now with people having more International exposure with item prices.

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by cloudstea » May 29th 13 2:57 pm

Any update?

2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh (any price adjustment?)

vs.

Gold (price dropped recently, US$1388 Per Ounce)


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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by quikstep » Mar 24th 14 11:01 am

Current price of Gold about USD 1321 an ounce.
Current price of Gold Dayi about USD 153 (RMB 950).

Would you suspect that this USD 66 cake to be fake? The seller is from ebay and to their credit, they did snap a photo of the cake they are selling. As they are selling way below market price (they claim they are operating out of China) and they wrapping behind is kinda "parallel", it made me extremely weary.
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Only 20% of Taobao seller show the back of their cakes and none had wrappings of such uniformity. Could someone be kind enough to snap me some photos of their cakes?

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by TwoDog2 » Mar 27th 14 2:24 am

As I've seen a lot of posts on here lately regarding some magically cheap Dayi cakes, my personal opinion is that nobody is stupid enough to sell something well below market value. If the real market value is $150, who would sell it for $70? If a new 7542 cake costs $40, who is going to sell an 7 year old 7542 for $20? If it sounds to good to be true, chances are it is.

Dayi is one of the most widely faked brands. If you look on taobao you will also find plenty of 2011 Gold Dayi fakes for $10 or less.

That being said, casinos are very popular. As long as you are making at informed gamble, it is your call.

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by Exempt » Mar 27th 14 2:53 am

TwoDog2 wrote:If a new 7542 cake costs $40, who is going to sell an 7 year old 7542 for $20? If it sounds to good to be true, chances are it is.
Are you referring to the tuochatea website?

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by gasninja » Mar 27th 14 3:09 am

If you are speaking of Dragon tea house. I purchased from them. I guess it could be fake. BUT if it is? It is is better than any young Dayi cake I have ever had. Good enough that I re ordered a tong. And I would describe the taste as similar to tasting notes written here. http://www.twodogteablog.com/2013/01/13/2003-jin-dayi/

Definitely the most Elaborate fake I have seen. They went through some serious effort to make it taste exactly like the real thing, look like a real cake, put the uv mark on the sticker. Man The detail of this knock off is amazing right down to the pack of Dayi brand Silica gels in the Tong. Amazing how far the art of forgery has come. :wink:

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by quikstep » Mar 27th 14 4:10 am

TwoDog2 wrote:As I've seen a lot of posts on here lately regarding some magically cheap Dayi cakes, my personal opinion is that nobody is stupid enough to sell something well below market value. If the real market value is $150, who would sell it for $70? If a new 7542 cake costs $40, who is going to sell an 7 year old 7542 for $20? If it sounds to good to be true, chances are it is.

Dayi is one of the most widely faked brands. If you look on taobao you will also find plenty of 2011 Gold Dayi fakes for $10 or less.

That being said, casinos are very popular. As long as you are making at informed gamble, it is your call.

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gasninja wrote:If you are speaking of Dragon tea house. I purchased from them. I guess it could be fake. BUT if it is? It is is better than any young Dayi cake I have ever had. Good enough that I re ordered a tong. And I would describe the taste as similar to tasting notes written here. http://www.twodogteablog.com/2013/01/13/2003-jin-dayi/

Definitely the most Elaborate fake I have seen. They went through some serious effort to make it taste exactly like the real thing, look like a real cake, put the uv mark on the sticker. Man The detail of this knock off is amazing right down to the pack of Dayi brand Silica gels in the Tong. Amazing how far the art of forgery has come. :wink:
Thank you both for your feedback. Deeply appreciated.

Yes I was referring to Dragon Tea House and really credits to them for treating a customer well. Unfortunately, I was really into buying a toong bcos the postage fee to Malaysia is just too much for buying a single piece. Since it can't pass my "conscience", I'll just have to let it pass and buy locally at slightly more than double the price stated. All the reviews of this tea points to it being yummy and aging worthy :)

Thanks again and have a great day/night!

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Re: 2011 Gold Dayi Raw Puerh vs. Gold

by Tead Off » Mar 27th 14 4:32 am

If the tea is good and you like it, what difference does it make what it is called? Over-thinking is never a good idea. Plus, gasninja stated a very good review of it.