The $12 bottle of wine.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by TIM » Mar 1st, '13, 13:32

That's a 1st cru, a bit beyond your $12 bottle range Bad? Oxymoron?

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by Bad Jedi » Mar 1st, '13, 18:35

TIM wrote:That's a 1st cru, a bit beyond your $12 bottle range Bad? Oxymoron?
Oxy :)

Youngest exceptional vintage in Volnay, it's not 1957 but one of greatest till now :) btw 2012 is also very good , time to stock up .

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by David R. » Mar 2nd, '13, 07:38

I know I have seen this sticker before, but I cannot recall the name of the producer. Can you refresh my memory Bad Jedi please ? :)

And for info, yes a Volnay 1er Cru is something very good, 2005 is an exceptionnal millésime for all the french red wines, but prices in Burgundy depend on the producer. There is no telling the price from what you can read on the sticker unless you happen to know the reputation of the producer. A 2005 Volnay 1er cru can range from 20€ to...

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by Bad Jedi » Mar 2nd, '13, 16:01

David R. wrote:I know I have seen this sticker before, but I cannot recall the name of the producer. Can you refresh my memory Bad Jedi please ? :)

And for info, yes a Volnay 1er Cru is something very good, 2005 is an exceptionnal millésime for all the french red wines, but prices in Burgundy depend on the producer. There is no telling the price from what you can read on the sticker unless you happen to know the reputation of the producer. A 2005 Volnay 1er cru can range from 20€ to...
DOMAINE JEAN JAVILLIER & FILS

Situé au dessus de la route nationale 73, exposé sud/est, à la limite avec monthelie, il est le second plus important des premiers crus de Volnay après les Santenots.
Certains écrits du XVIeme siecle rappellent que le clos des Chênes appartenait à la confrérie du Saint Sacrement héritière des biens des Templiers.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by David R. » Mar 3rd, '13, 13:41

Arigato. I've heard about them indeed.

I found this. More like a $48 kind of wine, but looks awesome.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by Bad Jedi » Mar 3rd, '13, 16:27

David R. wrote:Arigato. I've heard about them indeed.

I found this. More like a $48 kind of wine, but looks awesome.
I know the owner of that wine shop for years and if you in Munich you have to visit also his restaurant , they have more than 200 ready to serve wines and food menu is fantastic too.
He owns most of that Volnay vintage :)

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by David R. » Mar 3rd, '13, 18:27

Nice. :)

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by TwoDog2 » Mar 3rd, '13, 20:42

Prices in puer are often not indicative of quality, I assume wine is the same, but I am not a huge wine guy. I drink pretty cheap wine.

A lot of puer is priced to be gifted, or priced via brand name. I recently had a brand from a Taiwanese "master" - where his blended taidi 2012 Yiwu cakes were well above $100. I would have priced them at about 1/4 of that, in terms of quality or enjoyment. I am sure the tea master knows a lot about puer, but that tea was really average at best.

In some cases, telling the difference between a $25 and a $100 cake doesn't really mean much. I might like the $25 cake better than the $100 cake, does that mean the cakes are priced wrong? Or that I am an idiot? Or both? Who knows?

To the point of your question, I think people who drink puer with regularity can tell the difference between different tiers of tea to a point, and that after a certain point it becomes more about personal tendencies towards certain aspects of the tea. So, probably pretty similar with wine.

Related question, does wine show age as apparently as puer does? Even a relative beginner could identify a 15 year old puer versus a 2013 hot off the press sheng. Is wine the same?

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by edkrueger » Mar 3rd, '13, 20:47

To answer your questions. Yes! :P

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by shah82 » Mar 3rd, '13, 21:17

That was mean of you, ed.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by edkrueger » Mar 3rd, '13, 22:12

Sorry, the set up was too good to miss.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by Bad Jedi » Mar 4th, '13, 02:03

David R. wrote:Nice. :)
My favorite spot in Paris shop called - Les Domaines Qui Montent in 17 arr.
You can find there fantastic wines from non hyped small domains in Burgundy. Highly recommended .

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by TwoDog2 » Mar 5th, '13, 20:26

shah82 wrote:That was mean of you, ed.

So - I take it distinguishing between wine age is extremely difficult?

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by David R. » Mar 6th, '13, 02:55

TwoDog2 wrote:So - I take it distinguishing between wine age is extremely difficult?
Well, as far as I am concerned, it is easier than puerh because there is no dry vs traditional storage. :)
Bad Jedi wrote:My favorite spot in Paris shop called - Les Domaines Qui Montent in 17 arr.
You can find there fantastic wines from non hyped small domains in Burgundy. Highly recommended .
Thanks. This is where I go in Paris : http://www.cavebalthazar.com/presentation.php I can highly recommend it.

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Re: The $12 bottle of wine.

by Bad Jedi » Mar 6th, '13, 04:03

David R. wrote:
TwoDog2 wrote:So - I take it distinguishing between wine age is extremely difficult?
Well, as far as I am concerned, it is easier than puerh because there is no dry vs traditional storage. :)
Bad Jedi wrote:My favorite spot in Paris shop called - Les Domaines Qui Montent in 17 arr.
You can find there fantastic wines from non hyped small domains in Burgundy. Highly recommended .
Thanks. This is where I go in Paris : http://www.cavebalthazar.com/presentation.php I can highly recommend it.
Clos des Papes -2009 from their list is very nice and you can keep it for next 20 years

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