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Help with Shuiping identification

by Bok » May 27th 16 5:21 am

Dear all,

Again I would like to solicit the knowledge and opinions of our Tea cloud :mrgreen:

Got around to take pics of another pot which I inherited from my wife’s family.
As so often information on provenance is sketchy at best…

It does have a nice ring to it, so probably higher firing.
Can’t detect any visible wheel throwing traces.

Stamp says Zhonguo Yixing, but that in itself doesn’t say anything :lol:

Single hole.
Lid is slightly loose, but pot performs well.
Stains on the pictures are from use and not cleaning.
Color is a reddish orange in real life.
Slightly grainy surface.
Not a lightweight.

All in all the pot seems to me made of better material than the three other pots I had previously posted.

Guesses?
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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by Bok » May 27th 16 5:22 am

one more pic:
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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by jayinhk » May 27th 16 6:34 am

Is there a number or character on the inside of the lid?

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by ricegeek » May 27th 16 6:41 am

Bok wrote:one more pic:
I am a new to yixing myself, but the bottom mark look a little off (the xing character). Maybe a shot of the bottom of the lid can give more clues.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by steanze » May 27th 16 7:00 am

What is the volume? I am guessing 120 ml or 160ml. This one might be a late '60s to early '70s Factory 1 hongni pot. I would almost lean a bit towards late '60s. Looking at the clay in person it would be easier to tell. But we need to hear from more expert members of the forum to have more confidence, there are a couple of details I am not entirely sure about.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by jayinhk » May 27th 16 7:06 am

Looks like the pot I bought yesterday!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BF3fi4WyCl-/

I think mine is neiziwaihong. Sandy like zisha, but red...

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by Bok » May 27th 16 8:26 am

jayinhk wrote:Is there a number or character on the inside of the lid?
No other marks anywhere, except the bottom of the pot.

And thanks for everyone’s comments so far!

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by Bok » May 27th 16 8:27 am

steanze wrote:What is the volume? I am guessing 120 ml or 160ml. This one might be a late '60s to early '70s Factory 1 hongni pot. I would almost lean a bit towards late '60s. Looking at the clay in person it would be easier to tell. But we need to hear from more expert members of the forum to have more confidence, there are a couple of details I am not entirely sure about.
Haven’t measured, but slightly larger than an average gongfu put, need to to do that when I get a moment at home.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by William » May 27th 16 3:34 pm

In my opinion 90s or younger .. probably trying to imitate 60s/70s SP.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by victoria3 » May 27th 16 7:17 pm

The signature looks similar to one I have and posted about. The conclusion was that it is most likely from +-'66-'76
".....the "made in Yixing China" stamp, I looked it up and found an interesting blog that discusses Chinese stamps from the Cultural Revolution era (1966-1976). That stamp is like the ones found on both my Chinese tea pots, which I now realize have almost the same signature. http://ancientteahorseroad.blogspot.com ... ixing.html "
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... &start=300
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http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... &start=315
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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by steanze » May 27th 16 9:29 pm

:) the problem is that after the 1990s thousands of imitations of those factory pots were made, some of which are quite accurate. Therefore the stamp itself provides relatively little information about the authenticity of the pot...

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by jayinhk » May 28th 16 1:30 am

In the end, it doesn't matter when it's from or if it's an imitation or not...as long as it makes good tea! :wink:

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by ricegeek » May 28th 16 7:35 am

Jay is right, as long as it brews good tea, then it's a good pot. I have been looking at too many factory 1 marks lately, so my mind automatically went there.

I do hope other experts chime in since there is very limited information about factory pots in the western world and how to authenticate them. I'll throw in my observations just as a conversation starter and hope get experts to correct me. Looking at details around how the handle tapers, the thin lip yet lid button is of a flatter shape, I would agree with Williams opinion on this being a later period imitation of factory pot. The xing character in the bottom mark seem a little sloppy especially the bottom part, but there are many versions out there, that's hardly conclusive.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by heliospace » May 28th 16 7:50 pm

William wrote:In my opinion 90s or younger .. probably trying to imitate 60s/70s SP.
I agree with you.

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Re: Help with Shuiping identification

by steanze » May 28th 16 10:24 pm

heliospace wrote:
William wrote:In my opinion 90s or younger .. probably trying to imitate 60s/70s SP.
I agree with you.
That is an interesting opinion. It is important to consider that in that period the shape of the larger pots (e.g. 160ml) is a bit different from that of the smaller pots (~60ml). The shape of Bok's pot is slightly flatter and the handle a bit thinner than I've seen on pots of that period, but there are variations in workmanship.

For reference, here is a 160ml SP from the late 1960s that was authenticated by Kyarazen.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... hkkcye.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... fk6vzc.jpg

Here is a late 1960s 60ml SP (flat base, thin walls) also authenticated by Kyarazen:

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... voinw0.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... he5kns.jpg

and here is a late 1960s 60ml SP (no flat base, thick walls) authenticated by Dr. Lu.

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... docktg.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... avex4r.jpg

I am not sure whether the shape variations in Bok's pot are within the range of those occurring in that period, but it does seem possible. I would need to take a close look at the clay to be more confident.