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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by steanze » Jul 24th, '16, 23:22

heliospace wrote:
steanze wrote: I posted some time ago a picture of these two senses of "zhuni", you can find it at this link: http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... wot9cx.jpg
The pot on the left is a modern zhuni teapot by Xu Yuefeng. The pot on the right is a Qing dynasty lao zhuni.
Out of curiosity, I've seen you postulate that it is from the qing dynasty on a few occasions now, what led you to believe that it is from the Qing era? Or who? Can you share more in depth photos, pot details inside, underside lid, seal markings? Just to get a better idea...

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Hi heliospace. Clay (density/weight, color, silkiness), workmanship (juncture lines inside the body) and firing (evidence of wood firing in the underside of the lid) are all clear evidence of Qing zhuni. I was talking about this pot with Dr. Lv about a month ago when I met him in Taiwan and he shares the same view :) I've chatted about this pot also with a few other experienced collectors who independently shared the same evaluation, I don't necessarily want to drag all of them into this discussion...
here are a couple more pictures
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... ib9gp1.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... iubqut.jpg
The more interesting question is from what part of Qing :) I am not entirely sure about the answer to this latter question.

edit: apologies to the OP for the off-topic

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by jayinhk » Jul 25th, '16, 01:52

Guess I'm not missing too much by not having tried lao zhuni then! That is a lovely pot.

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by jayinhk » Jul 25th, '16, 01:59

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GARCH wrote:Hi all!
Decided to start a new thread about a recent pot I bought, since as you all know I broke the lid of my previous one :lol: Sending it off for kintsugi is wayyy too expensive so I decided to get a new pot first and a kintsugi starter set to DIY the broken lid.
I dont know if that could be relevant for you, just in case. It seems that there is somebody in Berlin doing a very good kintsugi for a very good price. http://tsugi.de/
Here's a link from the french tea forum: http://www.forumdesamateursdethe.fr/vie ... 20#p122101
I don't have any experience with that place, but the affordability of the discussed prices (in range of $20) simply surprised me. If it interested you, perhaps Tsubo could tell you more (http://the-et-ceramique.blogspot.fr/, he's on teachat too).

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Cheap and nice work, but waiting months for the urushi to dry sounds like a pita. I guess it's worth it, though. I have a lovely Factory 1 pot with damage to the base. I haven't used it yet, so I guess I wouldn't miss it too much. Thanks for posting about this!

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by heliospace » Jul 26th, '16, 00:54

steanze wrote:
Hi heliospace. Clay (density/weight, color, silkiness), workmanship (juncture lines inside the body) and firing (evidence of wood firing in the underside of the lid) are all clear evidence of Qing zhuni. I was talking about this pot with Dr. Lv about a month ago when I met him in Taiwan and he shares the same view :) I've chatted about this pot also with a few other experienced collectors who independently shared the same evaluation, I don't necessarily want to drag all of them into this discussion...
here are a couple more pictures
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... ib9gp1.jpg
http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... iubqut.jpg
The more interesting question is from what part of Qing :) I am not entirely sure about the answer to this latter question.

edit: apologies to the OP for the off-topic
Very cool. Glad to see more photos. Thanks for sharing again. I have very little to reference qing zhuni. The more we know...

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by steanze » Jul 26th, '16, 18:20

heliospace wrote: Very cool. Glad to see more photos. Thanks for sharing again. I have very little to reference qing zhuni. The more we know...
Great to hear that it is useful! I am happy to share any other photos if they can be helpful. And it's good that you double checked the reliability of the age assessment - there are so many unsubstantiated claims around that we need to filter the real info from the misleading claims.

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by jayinhk » Jul 26th, '16, 21:39

Could we possibly see the juncture lines? :D

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by steanze » Jul 27th, '16, 19:46

jayinhk wrote:Could we possibly see the juncture lines? :D
Sure :) it's not the easiest thing to take a picture of, but I gave it a shot

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a63 ... btaidv.jpg

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by jayinhk » Jul 27th, '16, 21:50

Thanks, I thought the juncture lines would run vertically up and down like a seam. I thought those little lines would just be shrinkage lines! I appreciate you taking the pic. :)

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by steanze » Jul 27th, '16, 22:49

jayinhk wrote:Thanks, I thought the juncture lines would run vertically up and down like a seam. I thought those little lines would just be shrinkage lines! I appreciate you taking the pic. :)
The juncture line runs vertically up like a seam :) but it is mostly a relief (it bulges out a little), so you can't really see all of it in the photo. If you look carefully at the shrinkage lines, there is a part near the base where they are absent, next to the lower arrow. That is the base of the juncture line. You can follow its sides upwards for a bit until it fades. Then you can see it bulging out slightly near the top arrow, casting a shade that the top arrow is pointing to.

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Re: Li Pi Zhuni / Tiao Sha Zhuni (pictures heavy)

by jayinhk » Jul 27th, '16, 22:51

Gotcha, I see it now. Much more subtle than I thought it would be!

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