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Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 16th 18 8:00 pm

Hello community,

to shortly introduce myself: I am a tea drinker, quite new to oolong, pu erh and Yixing.
In a local thrift shop, I found this 160 ml pot for 50 cents and brought it home, not expecting having bought anything special.

But it made me curious, and so I started to spend days of research on Yixing pots, mainly on this forum (what a great resource, btw), and finally, I found something that looked like my pot:

viewtopic.php?f=87&t=20655&start=135 (post by kyarazen Aug 9th, '15, 20:26 ).

Could it be true? Please tell me what you know! Thanks in advance.



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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 17th 18 8:12 am

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Is there a "1" inscripted?

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 17th 18 8:22 am

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The zhongguo seal is not very sharp, here an attempt to enhance visibility with a flashlight:

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If you need more pictures, let me know. Thank you very much for your help!
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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Bok » Apr 17th 18 8:52 am

People will want to see the underside of the pot and inner spout exit hole, as well as the rest of the inside. Those offer clues for age and provenance.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by OCTO » Apr 17th 18 3:49 pm

Bok wrote:People will want to see the underside of the pot and inner spout exit hole, as well as the rest of the inside. Those offer clues for age and provenance.
Agree with Bok.


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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Zared » Apr 17th 18 5:04 pm

18 hold should be 60-70. The bottom of interior looks oddly small though.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 17th 18 6:31 pm

Bok wrote: People will want to see the underside of the pot and inner spout exit hole, as well as the rest of the inside. Those offer clues for age and provenance.
Hi Bok and Octo,
you are right! As I am a new member, my posts need to be approved by a Mod, so I could supply the pictures only with delay. This explains also why they are now located before your reply.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 17th 18 6:34 pm

Zared wrote: 18 hold should be 60-70. The bottom of interior looks oddly small though.
Yes, that's right. It is because of lens distortion of the smartphone camera (moderate wide angle very close). In real life it looks quite normal.

Thanks for your comment!

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Zared » Apr 17th 18 9:37 pm

Dirk wrote:
Zared wrote: 18 hold should be 60-70. The bottom of interior looks oddly small though.
Yes, that's right. It is because of lens distortion of the smartphone camera (moderate wide angle very close). In real life it looks quite normal.

Thanks for your comment!
That explains it.
It's looks inline with other 70's pigeon beak pots on FB. Hard to tell if clay is right though.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/1429378320690167

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Bok » Apr 18th 18 1:17 am

Also worth noting, the previously most active and knowledgable members of this forum have left this place to create their own, so you might post there as well to get more opinions… :mrgreen:

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by Dirk » Apr 18th 18 3:39 pm

Thanks, I posted it in that FB group. I don't know anything about yixing yet except what I have read here, want to learn more.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by carmeloneo » Oct 12th 18 2:32 am

Apprentice' work.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by MmBuddha » Oct 14th 18 2:08 pm

If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say this was an authentic hong-qsn gezui from the 70s. That said I'm still learning, and have a certain degree of confusion about this clay (and other similar QSN clays) myself, so I'd seek the advice of an experienced pot collector. Did you have any luck with the Facebook group?

Edit: just realised how old this thread is, regardless, hope you had some luck identifying the pot.
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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by 12Tea » Oct 16th 18 7:29 am

MmBuddha wrote: If I had to hazard a guess, I'd say this was an authentic hong-isn gezui from the 70s. That said I'm still learning, and have a certain degree of confusion about this clay (and other similar QSN clays) myself, so I'd seek the advice of an experienced pot collector. Did you have any luck with the Facebook group?

Edit: just realised how old this thread is, regardless, hope you had some luck identifying the pot.
The craftmanship isn't great. For example, the way the spout is connect to the body is pourly done. Given this, I doubt that good clay was used for this teapot.

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Re: Is this a 70's F1 Gezui?

by MmBuddha » Oct 16th 18 2:02 pm

The craftmanship isn't great. For example, the way the spout is connect to the body is pourly done. Given this, I doubt that good clay was used for this teapot.
I wouldn't read too much into this, as it's often the case that the workmanship from Factory 1 leaves a lot to be desired. These pots were produced en masse and often without a great deal of care, even the sought-after pots from the 60's, for instance, often show some signs of sloppiness compared to the handmade pots of previous eras and both the handmade and mass-made pots today.

On the other hand, as F1 had a monopoly on the mines in Yixing, they tended to use excellent clay, or at least that's generally thought to be the case up until the Green Label period around '77, though that's not to say that there weren't some good clays used during and after this period.

Assuming the pot's authentic (which to me at least it looks to be), I couldn't be sure of the exact clay, but I'd guess it's one of the F1 QSN clays used during the 70's – early 80's. From what I can gather these QSN clays are pretty well-regarded. I'd expect this pot to be a good match for high-roasted oolongs, more humid puerh, heicha etc.

All of this said, it could still be a replica pot, I just think it's unlikely and it looks inline with similar authentic pots I've seen.