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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by oolongtimenosee » Nov 22nd, '15, 22:57

What about the workmanship makes you think it was made later? What are some signs to look for to tell the age of a contemporary vs 1970s-80s pot?

Regarding 段泥 duan ni, was this material only used in the 90s and later?

Here was a similar pot for sale by another seller. This one has a date beside the stamp “中国宜兴,一九七二年” (China Yixing, 1972). Anyone know the deal with these pots or seen this before? So, is this a new pot stamped to look like a 70s pot? If yes, why fake it with a kind of clay no one was using?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291615392430?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

Sorry for all the questions, but I am quite curious and I haven't been able to find any other information anywhere else about this pot.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by kyarazen » Nov 23rd, '15, 01:32

1) there are specific shapes/moulds used during the different periods/eras, and different characteristics that can be helpful, i.e. spout joint to pot, overall pot shape, base workmanship, lid shape, internal workmanship (no photos were provided)

2) Duani was used for a long time, end qing, ROC, to the 70s, the "duan-ni" is of a classical trait, with its color and composition. into the 80s, material became lesser, a "darker", "damper" feeling duanni was used. towards 90s and later there are modern duan-nis.

3) on the question of why fake it using a material that no one was using to make shuipings at that time.. i can only say.. majority of the consumers do not know the material well, nor the history, nor the intricacies of pot collecting, so it doesnt matter what the "forger" uses, or simply said, consumers are not knowledgeable nor wise enough yet, so anything goes.
oolongtimenosee wrote:What about the workmanship makes you think it was made later? What are some signs to look for to tell the age of a contemporary vs 1970s-80s pot?

Regarding 段泥 duan ni, was this material only used in the 90s and later?

Here was a similar pot for sale by another seller. This one has a date beside the stamp “中国宜兴,一九七二年” (China Yixing, 1972). Anyone know the deal with these pots or seen this before? So, is this a new pot stamped to look like a 70s pot? If yes, why fake it with a kind of clay no one was using?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291615392430?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT

Sorry for all the questions, but I am quite curious and I haven't been able to find any other information anywhere else about this pot.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by .m. » Nov 23rd, '15, 03:38

oolongtimenosee wrote:
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Next to the seal there is something that looks kind of like a carved inscription (a signature?), but its not very clear on the picture. Would you ever see a signature on a yixing pot made between the cultural revolution and the end of the 80s?

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by oolongtimenosee » Nov 23rd, '15, 05:46

The photos aren't mine. I'm still waiting for it to arrive. I got it for such a reasonable price that whether it's new or not, it'll still be worth it. The color and shape was what made me take a closer look when I saw the listing.I was honestly surprised to read that pots from the 70s are valuable. Thanks for the info about duan ni, very interesting.

Re: inscription. Yeah, I noticed that too. Will have to see what it says after it arrives.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by Bok » Dec 1st, '16, 03:25

Recent find in a thrift shop: A gong fu dish, used to put the pot. You can identify those by the unglazed circle on the inside, which indicates it was not just a regular bowl. Size is like a flat wide rice bowl.

From the firing defaults and other tiny indications I think it is somewhere from the Qing dynasty. Has the same look and feel I have from other old pieces I have seen and handled. Probably too old and knocked about to be a fake, but hell who knows… it fits the purpose which is all I care for :mrgreen:

That said, I like the wabisabi vibe from the sum of its imperfections. Was buried under a pile of late rebublican – 1950 porcelain.
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by Bok » Dec 1st, '16, 03:25

…and a view from the sides
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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by jayinhk » Dec 1st, '16, 04:37

Cool little bowl! I like it. How much did it run you? Even if it's fake, it's still pretty. They're making some damn good replicas in China now! lol. I have a few, but I know they're replicas and I don't really mind as they were really really cheap. I don't think yours is a knockoff, but I'm no expert.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by Bok » Dec 1st, '16, 05:09

jayinhk wrote:Cool little bowl! I like it. How much did it run you? Even if it's fake, it's still pretty. They're making some damn good replicas in China now! lol. I have a few, but I know they're replicas and I don't really mind as they were really really cheap. I don't think yours is a knockoff, but I'm no expert.
Cheers!

So got a feedback from one of the experts on a Chinese Ceramics forum, the verdict is:
Probably mid- to late Qing.

The big surprise to me is that this kind of unglazed inside ring is actually common and has nothing to do with tea brewing. Those are rice bowls for commoners. The unglazed part simply allows to stack more bowls during firing. Otherwise they would melt together as the glazing is quite powerful as a glue.

Learn something new every day!

Cheap too. Only cost me 150 NTD :mrgreen:

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by jayinhk » Dec 1st, '16, 05:32

Interesting, thanks for sharing :) I found some Factory 1 zisha saucers here yesterday, so that's my next plate purchase! NT 150 is a good price. I think I'd prefer one without the ring, but the history behind the ring is pretty cool.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by ethan » Dec 1st, '16, 17:33

Nice find, Bok, & at the right price!

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by williammimi70 » May 1st, '17, 02:40

An old teapot and teacup
I think the teapot is 19th century Yixing teapot and the cup is certainly late Ming early Qing period.
The lid is not original
Have a good day :D
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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by williammimi70 » May 1st, '17, 02:41

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by victoria3 » May 1st, '17, 14:47

Wow William they are both beautiful. We need to come and visit you for a tea tasting :D That cup has perfect form to drink from and the glaze is very special. The form on the pot is also stunning.

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Re: Antique/Vintage Tea and Tea Ware

by williammimi70 » May 2nd, '17, 02:23

victoria3 wrote: Wow William they are both beautiful. We need to come and visit you for a tea tasting :D That cup has perfect form to drink from and the glaze is very special. The form on the pot is also stunning.
Hi Victoria
When you guys are in the Uk come and visit
:D
Toan

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by victoria3 » May 2nd, '17, 02:38

williammimi70 wrote:
victoria3 wrote: Wow William they are both beautiful. We need to come and visit you for a tea tasting :D That cup has perfect form to drink from and the glaze is very special. The form on the pot is also stunning.
Hi Victoria
When you guys are in the Uk come and visit
:D
Toan
Very generous thank you. I use the Royal we, as in all of us teachatters whose tea ware addiction your posts are feeding into :D

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