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Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 20th, '14, 15:31

I am looking to buy a shiboridashi. I will use it only for myself, to prepare gyokuro.

Now, the size of most shiboridashi is between 90 and 100 ml, when full.

I am wondering: can/should I fill a shiboridashi up its maximum volume? Or can I fill it up to, say, 50-60 ml only?

I don't see myself always drinking a full 3 oz of gyokuro, so this is why I'm asking.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Chip » Sep 20th, '14, 16:13

You can do that for gyokuro ... and sencha as well.

Besides, usually for a 100 ml shib, after the leaves expand in the first and/or second steeping of gyokuro, they displace a significant amount of water in subsequent steeps ... depending on how much leaf you use, you might only be able to pour 50-60 ml in anyway.

For me, sometimes after a few steeps of gyo, the leaves fill the shib, houhin, etc. This is a pretty concentrated session. Maybe a ratio of 3 grams leaves per 1 ounce water. Zing!

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by debunix » Sep 20th, '14, 17:40

There is also the option of a very tiny shibo from one of our teaware artisans, such as this little gem from Shawn McGuire

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Which holds about 60 mL but yields about 30 mL per infusion when full of wet gyo leaf like this....

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I don't see any similarly sized pieces on his etsy site at the moment, but there likely could be if someone asked.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 20th, '14, 19:04

Chip: Thank you so much. This is exactly the information that I was looking for.

Debunix: Very nice set. I love how it looks. Was more interested in a non-glazed vessel, though. Still, I might send Shawn an e-mail to see what he has in stock.

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Another option that I was considering was the teapots from Jinshu, such as this one: http://www.tokoname.or.jp/teapot/maker_ ... hu0039.htm

However, I'm not sure that they are good for gyokuro, or if they are not specially meant for the kind special japanese teas with very long leaves (see the images at the very bottom). Also, because of their shape, I'm not sure if they would hold the heat properly...
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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by JRS22 » Sep 20th, '14, 19:46

I prefer glazed pots for gyokuro. I snagged this beautiful thin glazed inside shib from Shawn at Greenwood Studio last spring. It holds around 60 ml and makes wonderful gyo which I then sip from a tiny snowflake crackle glazed cup.
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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 21st, '14, 08:37

JRS22 wrote:I snagged this beautiful thin glazed inside shib from Shawn at Greenwood Studio last spring. It holds around 60 ml and makes wonderful gyo which I then sip from a tiny snowflake crackle glazed cup
Look very nice. Sent an e-mail to Shawn to see what he has in stock.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 21st, '14, 08:40

Anyone has an opinion on this kind of teapot, for brewing gyokuro for one person?

http://www.tokoname.or.jp/teapot/maker_ ... hu0039.htm

They also have a smaller one, at 70 ml.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Fuut » Sep 21st, '14, 09:34

debunix wrote:There is also the option of a very tiny shibo from one of our teaware artisans, such as this little gem from Shawn McGuire
Off topic, but Shawn's wares match sooo well! I saw you noticed as well, i was so happy when the new pieces started coming in last week. -end of interuption

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Chip » Sep 21st, '14, 10:18

Bef wrote:Anyone has an opinion on this kind of teapot, for brewing gyokuro for one person?

http://www.tokoname.or.jp/teapot/maker_ ... hu0039.htm

They also have a smaller one, at 70 ml.
Personal opinion. Hmmm. That is my opinion. :mrgreen:

This type of kyusu is ideal for brewing gyokuro with the lid off and viewing the unfurling leaves. I would likely not recommend it for a first gyokuro brewing vessel as it may not be as versatile as a shib or houhin. I would like to try one but have not.

But I have admired Jinshu's works for years.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 21st, '14, 10:24

Chip wrote: Personal opinion. Hmmm. That is my opinion. :mrgreen:

This type of kyusu is ideal for brewing gyokuro with the lid off and viewing the unfurling leaves. I would likely not recommend it for a first gyokuro brewing vessel as it may not be as versatile as a shib or houhin. I would like to try one but have not.

But I have admired Jinshu's works for years.
Thanks Chip. These Jinshu teapots were almost the only ones that I found that were very small (70-80 ml). I guess that I need to wait either for Shawn's answer or for something new to appear on Artistic Nippon or tokoname.or.jp...

BTW, here is a nice video of Jinshu using of of these teapots to brew gyokuro: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K5SpQWxjpVo

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Bef » Sep 23rd, '14, 08:31

What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.o-cha.com/Mogake-Shiboridash-Teapot.html

Looks nice to me, but I would like to have the opinion of people who have some experience with gyokuro and/or shiboridashi.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Poseidon » Sep 23rd, '14, 08:40

Bef wrote:What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.o-cha.com/Mogake-Shiboridash-Teapot.html

Looks nice to me, but I would like to have the opinion of people who have some experience with gyokuro and/or shiboridashi.
Ive always liked my houhin for green brewing. Its almost the same as a shiboridashi but a little less gaiwan looking. If in not mistaken, houhin and shiboridashi were made specifically for green tea brewing. At least that is what my memory is telling me... :lol:

PS. The Shi' you posted looks nice. This may also be an option for you: https://www.o-cha.com/houhin-teapot-set.html

I think it all comes down to personal preference.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by bob » Sep 23rd, '14, 09:45

Bef wrote:What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.o-cha.com/Mogake-Shiboridash-Teapot.html

Looks nice to me, but I would like to have the opinion of people who have some experience with gyokuro and/or shiboridashi.
I recently got the shiboridashi you linked as a birthday present. I think it's great for 1-2 person use, I like the mogake design/appearance a lot, it's nicely made, from a known artist and the price is reasonable. I'm using it for gyokuro and I find 100 ml size to be perfect.

I'll try to post a few images later when I get home...

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Chip » Sep 23rd, '14, 11:04

Bef wrote:What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.o-cha.com/Mogake-Shiboridash-Teapot.html

Looks nice to me, but I would like to have the opinion of people who have some experience with gyokuro and/or shiboridashi.
Nice shib! Sort of has a yohen effect as well.

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Re: Shiboridashi size for one person

by Chip » Sep 23rd, '14, 11:09

Poseidon wrote:
Bef wrote:What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.o-cha.com/Mogake-Shiboridash-Teapot.html

Looks nice to me, but I would like to have the opinion of people who have some experience with gyokuro and/or shiboridashi.
Ive always liked my houhin for green brewing. Its almost the same as a shiboridashi but a little less gaiwan looking. If in not mistaken, houhin and shiboridashi were made specifically for green tea brewing. At least that is what my memory is telling me... :lol:

PS. The Shi' you posted looks nice. This may also be an option for you: https://www.o-cha.com/houhin-teapot-set.html

I think it all comes down to personal preference.
Shibs tend to have a "rake" and are thus flatter in shape.
Houhin tend to have an actual screen of some kind and are thus taller by necessity.

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