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Bizen, shino & other teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 1:00 pm

Hi,
There's a lot of interest in tokoname but--is there anyone into bizen?
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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by Fuut » Sep 2nd 15 1:20 pm

Count me in, Bizen, Iga, Ohi i'm a fan of the whole spectrum 8)

I wish there were show threads for every province and/or style!

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 1:38 pm

great! I love ohi too... apart from bizen I also like raku, oribe (especially kuro oribe chawan) and shino (btw. is there a piece of shino ware in you avatar?) :D

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by William » Sep 2nd 15 1:54 pm

I am too a big fan of Bizen-yaki! :D

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by Fuut » Sep 2nd 15 2:06 pm

hobin wrote:great! I love ohi too... apart from bizen I also like raku, oribe (especially kuro oribe chawan) and shino (btw. is there a piece of shino ware in you avatar?) :D
Oh it is:) You have a good eye.

My only but none the less favorite old (not entirely sure on age) shino-like/kuro oribe chawan :arrow: pic.

And yeah.. raku, shino, to be honest all of it from Japanese origin has my favor. Speaking of raku, i scored a 7 set Rikyu utsushi set about a year ago, those are for sure my favorite pieces.
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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 2:12 pm

beautiful ko-kuro oribe... can you show me the kudai?
I thought it was an old e-shino... however e-shino was sometimes called white oribe :D

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Re: bizen, shino & other teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 2:21 pm

at this point we can change the subject and discuss about every other style of japanese pottery except maybe hagi and tokoname (they have their own thread, I think)

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Re: bizen, shino & other teaware appreciation anyone?

by Fuut » Sep 2nd 15 2:30 pm

hobin wrote:at this point we can change the subject and discuss about every other style of japanese pottery except maybe hagi and tokoname (they have their own thread, I think)
Ok here are one side and the koudai. And for me oribe ware has quite a special, (but hard to a finger on what causes) charm. The simple sometimes bold designs can be quite relaxing.

This thread kind of reminds me of a chawan i bought a few years ago, that really surprised me and i hadn't even heard about the style/province before.

Called sansuke ware/yaki, i'll add a picture of it, its quite sublime 8)


PS: already hooked on this topic!
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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 2:52 pm

It's hard to judge but the style of the koudai could well be early/mid-edo...
here is a really similar kuro oribe:
http://www.jauce.com/auction/o111782515

sansuke yaki is a bit of a mystery to me...

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 2:58 pm

I like to consider a kuro oribe bowl like a mystical theatre - black curtains that open to reveal a white stage. i too prefer minimal design opposed to hard experimental geometrical patterns.

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by Fuut » Sep 2nd 15 3:09 pm

hobin wrote:It's hard to judge but the style of the koudai could well be early/mid-edo...
here is a really similar kuro oribe:
http://www.jauce.com/auction/o111782515

sansuke yaki is a bit of a mystery to me...
Sansuke yaki was so for me, until i happened to just stumble over this chawan, which i used quite a lot and only grew on me. Its related to Toyama prefecture/province. I found a website (that didn't really work for me) about it a few weeks ago, i'll see if i can find it again and add it here: (haha it was pretty headon!) -> http://sansukeyaki.com/

And to me i seemed like the box that came with it was quite new compared to the chawan, and if it were over a 100 years old, that would be incredible for it (let alone 200+). Its made of quite rough clay, which i can't really recognize in any other piece i have.
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Re: Bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by Chip » Sep 2nd 15 3:18 pm

Love Bizen and some other types as well.

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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 3:29 pm

Fuut wrote: And to me i seemed like the box that came with it was quite new compared to the chawan, and if it were over a 100 years old, that would be incredible for it (let alone 200+). Its made of quite rough clay, which i can't really recognize in any other piece i have.
yes, the clay is rougher than any modern piece... I guess yours is an excavated bowl (in 1989 they discovered an old deposit of 1000s of pieces of oribe and shino ware). the box is of course new.

beautiful sansuke chawan!
is that the site?
http://sansukeyaki.com/

by googling 三助焼 I found these pictures:
https://www.google.it/search?q=%E4%B8%8 ... 00&bih=731

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Re: Bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by hobin » Sep 2nd 15 3:41 pm

about excavated oribe see here
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Re: bizen teaware appreciation anyone?

by Fuut » Sep 2nd 15 4:04 pm

hobin wrote:yes, the clay is rougher than any modern piece... I guess yours is an excavated bowl (in 1989 they discovered an old deposit of 1000s of pieces of oribe and shino ware). the box is of course new.

beautiful sansuke chawan!
is that the site?
http://sansukeyaki.com/

by googling 三助焼 I found these pictures:
https://www.google.it/search?q=%E4%B8%8 ... 00&bih=731
That would be quite amazing, if it were an excavated article.

The website is most likely 1 potter his work, i'm not entirely sure on who made the one i posted; either: Hitoshi Taniguchi, or Miake Taniguchi, most likely from the same family. It might be just one lineage of sansuke potters surviving, but i don't know the details on this.

Anyway that one piece, kinda left me so indented by the impression it made me glad to have gone there and grasped it. Fantastic simple but connected (to me anyway - for some reason) piece.