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by Jayaratna » Apr 6th, '09, 08:39

Herb_Master wrote: [...]
How is the oxygen level of water affected by long storage?

Is there a maximum time that you would ideally want your water to spend in a container?

If 2-3 days in a Ming Barrel improves the water, would it start going downhill after 5, 10 or 15 days?
I always wondered if shaking water before or after 'cooking' it, could improve its oxygen content: maybe this is what happens when japanese drinkers cool down boiling water by pouring it repeatedly from kettle to teapot and from teapot to cups?

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by Tead Off » Apr 6th, '09, 08:50

Herb_Master wrote:Interesting or confusing, I am not sure which :roll:

Browsing around - here and there -
Some say the clay jar should be glazed and some say unglazed.

Perhaps glazed is better if you want to clean from time to time - how would you go about cleaning a 10 litre unglazed jar? Though my mind more readily accepts the probability of unglazed improving the water.
If the object of storing water is to change and improve the flavor or smell, I would think an unglazed zisha or purple clay storage jar might be best. This is said to change the taste of water.

I am also looking for something but won't rush into anything yet. I've talked to the Purion people but they seem more interested in selling their product than answering deeper questions. But, according to some, their product also has an effect on water kept in their storage jars. And, they do make some nice looking ones with taps in them.

Good question about how long to keep water stored. Intuit, where are you? He has experience in the world of water.

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by hpulley » Apr 6th, '09, 11:49

The traditional Japanese water storage container is the mizusashi. It may be of glazed (more common) or unglazed clay. I used a glazed Satsumayaki (Satsuma ware) mizusashi for storing water. Personally, I think it takes better after having sat for a while.

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by TIM » Apr 6th, '09, 12:02

hpulley wrote:The traditional Japanese water storage container is the mizusashi. It may be of glazed (more common) or unglazed clay. I used a glazed Satsumayaki (Satsuma ware) mizusashi for storing water. Personally, I think it takes better after having sat for a while.
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?p=95469#95469
I love Mizusashi, a famous potter from japan - Akira Yagi had some amazing glazed ones.

For me. The stored water taste better after 3 to 5 days :wink:

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by Oni » Apr 6th, '09, 12:02

I want to invest in a water storing jar, I read it does good to the water, it doesn`t change the water ph level. I only saw japanese mizusashi at horaido teashop, I have my eye on one, but my problem is that the soft mountain spring water that I buy for japanese tea comes in a 5 liter plastic jug, I would need a 5 liter chinese clay jar, but the only I have seen was at lins ceramic studio, and they cost a lot and no paypal available.

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Oni wrote:I want to invest in a water storing jar, I read it does good to the water, it doesn`t change the water ph level. I only saw japanese mizusashi at horaido teashop, I have my eye on one, but my problem is that the soft mountain spring water that I buy for japanese tea comes in a 5 liter plastic jug, I would need a 5 liter chinese clay jar, but the only I have seen was at lins ceramic studio, and they cost a lot and no paypal available.
http://www.lifford.org/korea/unjusa/2ujs-03.jpg
Try a Korean KimChi jar to start. They earthenware with glazed interior. And comes with cover and larger sizes.
http://www.hmart.com/ should have some.

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Don't know for certain how long.

by Intuit » Apr 6th, '09, 16:20

Think about your water use rate. If you are refilling a filtering carafe many times a day, it makes sense to have a reservoir that keeps your water cool, has a relatively unreactive surface and doesn't allow light.

Figure out what you need for a couple days worth of water storage. Figure on adding a couple of carafe volumes each day, which should aerate the water a bit.

Boiled water is deaerated. Water that sits will lose its oxygen slowly according to ambient temperature and pressure. It will reach an equilibrium point of oxygen saturation percent with the air volume in the container.

Using a tap that dispenses a stream into a pot will also lightly re-aerate the water as its introduced into your water vessel, cup or teapot.

I'm using common sense as a guide. With a slowly diminishing storage volume, you clean/rinse the jar every week or two.

You could go much longer - but that depends on the organics and dissolved ions that could provide nutrients for biofilm growth on the ceramic surface.

An unglazed jar is porous and may lose water by wall diffusion and evaporation, slowly. On the other hand, the film that forms on the outside that evaporates will cool the water - in dryer climates.

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by Drax » Apr 6th, '09, 19:02

Crazy. I admit that my whole purpose to asking this question was more geared toward basic water storage. Like Intuit was saying, I want to have a large volume of filtered water available over a couple days (especially since my filter pitcher serves double duty, usually in the fridge being cooled).

I appreciate all the ideas. I agree that the Tea Habitat jugs are probably too small. I suppose I will be keeping my eye out in the future for something functional and also that I find visually appealing (as if finding the functional part isn't hard enough)... as well as something I'm actually capable of ordering...! :D

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Google it!

by Intuit » Apr 7th, '09, 00:44

Search term: ceramic water cooler.

Nice find: Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/For-Your-Water-Bl ... B000LXX8CI

Looks like they come in 2.5/3 and 5 gallon sizes, with a nice looking (spendy) stand.

Another supplier, with accessories
http://www.promolife.com/household/disp ... t_130.html

Here, you can buy this 5-gallon version with nice stand off of Craigs List / Salt Lake City

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/hsh/1102276694.html

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by bi lew chun » Apr 7th, '09, 02:16

TomVerlain wrote:If you ever want to scare yourself, take a gallon of florida tap water and let it sit for a week.
Does it grow baby alligators?

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by Jayaratna » Apr 7th, '09, 03:16

Here is our traditional way to store water (the left one is meant for olive oil):

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I think they're pretty similar to KimChi wares,earthenware with glazed interior.
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by CJluvsT » Apr 7th, '09, 09:47

I always use fresh water from the tap (purified). To me it just seems to taste better when it has some oxygen in it. I just don't like the idea of water sitting around, it goes kinda flat. Just me, I guess.

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by TIM » Apr 7th, '09, 14:00

http://www.teatoys.com/kmizusas.html
Some water containers I found.

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by MarshalN » Apr 7th, '09, 14:35

I just bought this

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Now I need to figure out what to do with it

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by Herb_Master » Apr 7th, '09, 15:28

MarshalN wrote:I just bought this

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Now I need to figure out what to do with it
Looks interesting!

I have been browsing Stoneware Cider Urns.

This one looks interesting ???

http://www.studiopottery.com/cgi-bin/pp.cgi?item=2746

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