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Matcha comparison

by chingwa » Apr 12th, '09, 17:29

This afternoon I did a personal matcha comparison... (I should have taken pictures, drat!)

the contenders:
1) Hibiki-Ans "Matcha Super Premium"
2) Ippodo's "Unmon-no-Mukashi"


Right off the bat I could tell a difference in quality just by looking at the color of the tea and the aroma. Hibiki-An's was a really nice GREEN, and compared to everything else I've tried it was quite verdant in appearance. that is, until I compared it to the Unmon. Holy Crap! The Unmon was unbelievably green and the aroma was quite complex, rich, earthy and sweet. definitely a heavier aroma than Hibiki-An's (and Hibiki-an's is no slouch).

KOICHA:
I made them both side by side and compared them directly. I used 4 chashaku for each and sifted the matcha into identical bowls (pre-warmed). I heated the water in a Japanese tetsubin to boiling, then let it cool off a bit in a clay kyusu. I added just enough water to wet the tea, then kneaded it into a consistent thick mixture, adding a bit more hot water to bring it to the right consistency. For the first time I was able to get what I perceived to be the right "thickness" of koicha with the Unmon from Ipppodo. I wasn't able to get quite the same thickness of tea from Hibiki-an's, though I would still call it koicha.

Winner: Ippodo's Unmon-no-mukashi. while Hibiki-an's was pretty good, it was still a bit jarring... no bitterness at all, but it felt a bit of a chore to drink it. the Unmon by contrast was THICK, and actually delicious, strangely savory with a hint of refined sweetness. it had real flavor to the tea which lingered on the palette afterward. the first time I've ever enjoyed Koicha.

USUCHA:

I finished off approx 2/3rds of each koicha, than added more water and wisked each bowl to make usucha. I still can't get my usucha to form without some bigger bubbles here and there... I guess it's all in the wrist/elbow.

winner: Ippodo's Unmon-no-mukashi. I find hibiki-an's to be better and more drinkable as usucha than koicha. the Unmon however again beat it hands down. Unmon had a distinctly different flavor as usucha, lighter, less sweet, but still complex and enjoyable.

Conclusions:
I've been drinking matcha for some time now, having first started with matcha from Ito-En, then moving up to Hibiki-an which I thought was pretty good at the time.

However for the first time I can honestly say that I ENJOYED drinking matcha with Ippodo's Unmon-no-mukashi... both as usucha AND koicha. In fact I enjoyed doing them both at the same time as usucha seems like a perfect way to end a session of koicha. It would be hard for me to use anything lesser than this grade of tea now after experiencing the difference... everything else feels like ice cream topper to me now :D


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by Geekgirl » Apr 12th, '09, 17:40

Holy Carp! EIGHT chashaku of matcha? They would have to peel me off the ceiling. I'm with you on Ippodo's matchas. I don't think they can be beat at any of their price points, and IME are superior to many (most?) matchas at far higher prices.

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Re: Matcha comparison

by chamekke » Apr 12th, '09, 17:43

chingwa wrote:In fact I enjoyed doing them both at the same time as usucha seems like a perfect way to end a session of koicha.
Oddly enough, that's the order in which you drink them during a full-length tea ceremony (chaji) :)
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by iannon » Apr 12th, '09, 18:48

hmm..is there a thread already on different matchas? I've been looking for a "decent" matcha that wont break my wallet. I was leaning toward the yuuki-cha Yame. anyone had that one recently?
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Re: Matcha comparison

by olivierco » Apr 13th, '09, 02:10

chingwa wrote: It would be hard for me to use anything lesser than this grade of tea now after experiencing the difference... everything else feels like ice cream topper to me now :D
The wakamatsu no mukashi (the grade immediately under the Ummon) is also very good for koicha and usacha. It costs 25% less but it is sold in 20g tins which is not the case for the Ummon.

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by kymidwife » Apr 13th, '09, 10:45

I'm far from an expert on matcha at all, having only tried a few... but, most recently I got 2 different matcha offerings from O-Cha, and I much preferred the lower priced one. It has excellent ratings on their site as well. They have some higher priced matcha, but I'm currently not inclined to tempt my palate away from this affordable option. :D

Organic Kaoru... this was 22.95 and "pretty good" but didn't dazzle me.

Uji Matcha Kiri No Mori... only 15.95, and actually I enjoyed this one more than the other.

I'm sure there are much more spectacular offerings out there, but for affordable frequent drinking, I found the kiri no mori pretty nice.

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by hpulley » Apr 13th, '09, 15:57

Thanks for the recommendation, that sounds like one to try for sure! I must compare it to O-cha's Uji Manten which is the best I've tried so far.

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by iannon » Apr 20th, '09, 11:47

anyone have any Yame Matcha vendors other than yuuki-cha? or what are the thought in "general" on Yame vs. say Uji matchas?

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by Chip » Apr 20th, '09, 12:47

Zencha will be offering one soon.

Yuuki-Cha's was very good for the price and it is on sale now. It has a kick to it that I did not expect.
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by iannon » Apr 20th, '09, 12:57

Chip wrote:Zencha will be offering one soon.

Yuuki-Cha's was very good for the price and it is on sale now. It has a kick to it that I did not expect.
Funny..I actually wrote Zencha and am awaiting reply. Just for background I delved into matcha a long time ago..bought something from a vendor who is no longer around and it was *ok* but I wasnt thrilled. I am now wanting to dive back in and the Yame variety sounded interesting based on what little ive read as well as all the talk about the yame shinchas and senchas ( i did order the Zencha Takume shincha offering) So now im torn between having my "first" new matcha from either a Yame variety or an Uji

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by Chip » Apr 20th, '09, 13:33

Yame is a new matcha for me, I am thinking when i try it again, I may lower temp a bit since the yame sencha and gyo seem temp sensitive. I am just curious ...

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by hpulley » Apr 26th, '09, 08:40

Some matchas really need hot water to get sweetness out of them, otherwise they are mostly bitter. But other matchas don't need the water quite as hot. Of course using more gives more bitterness too, unless you are using a good koicha. I think I've only had matcha from Uji so far though I'm not 100% sure. My usual matcha, Matcha Zen, is an organic Uji matcha and my favorite, Manten, is also from Uji.

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by Sydney » Apr 26th, '09, 08:57

iannon wrote:I've been looking for a "decent" matcha that wont break my wallet. I was leaning toward the yuuki-cha Yame. anyone had that one recently?
Replying late to this, as my work & home buying have diverted most of my attention lately, but Yuuki-Cha's Yame is indeed quite good IMO. I wish they sold larger containers of the stuff.

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