Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by skilfautdire » Jul 26th, '10, 21:49

nicolas wrote:
skilfautdire wrote:How fake can tea be, actually ? Is it only limited to the wrapper ? What I mean by that question is that, I presume that the tea looses all its market value but, the tea itself, is it really bad ?
Why would they only fake the wrapper and not the tea? In the first place, why would they fake the wrapper?
Right enough. Counterfeit Addidas are not as good, after all.
Why ? To profit from the prestige.

Anyhow, I do not think I'll ever run into this kind of 'possibility' with the little puerhs (that I like) that I get from Yunnansourcing.

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by hop_goblin » Aug 1st, '10, 13:12

Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by nicolas » Aug 17th, '10, 11:43

nicolas wrote:I will soon upload photos from my recent trip to the Dongguan Tea Markets.
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/dongguan/

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by Drax » Aug 17th, '10, 19:42

Wow, another great set of pictures! I'm overwhelmed by all those large pots full of tea. I'd have trouble not wanting to try and sample everything! haha

I've got a kanji question -- I noticed that the stores seem to use 行... (茶行). In Japanese, this symbol is used for "to go" or traveling... but it can also mean district. Is that the meaning here, or is it something else?

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by apache » Aug 18th, '10, 02:53

Drax wrote:Wow, another great set of pictures! I'm overwhelmed by all those large pots full of tea. I'd have trouble not wanting to try and sample everything! haha

I've got a kanji question -- I noticed that the stores seem to use 行... (茶行). In Japanese, this symbol is used for "to go" or traveling... but it can also mean district. Is that the meaning here, or is it something else?
Without looking up a dictionary, I think it also can means company.
For example: 銀行: Bank (company which trade silver or money), 金行:Shop which sell gold.

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by wyardley » Aug 18th, '10, 03:03

Drax wrote: I've got a kanji question -- I noticed that the stores seem to use 行... (茶行). In Japanese, this symbol is used for "to go" or traveling... but it can also mean district. Is that the meaning here, or is it something else?
It can mean a number of things. In Mandarin, the phonetic sound and tone varies, but even within each sound, there are multiple definitions.

I think it's travel / visit / etc. (xíng in Mandarin), and also xìng (4th tone) meaning something unrelated (behavior or conduct). It's "háng" as a noun (and maybe an adjective?), meaning "firm" or "professional" (or a number of other things). A bank, for example, is 银行, or "silver / money firm". At first, I was thinking that xíng would always be a verb and háng always a noun, but that turns out not to be the case (see below).

You will also see the word "行家" used in conjunction with tea; it means (roughly) "expert" or "connoisseur".

See also:
http://www.nciku.com/search/all/%E8%A1%8C

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by alan logan » Aug 18th, '10, 03:32

babelcarp (my easy solution) mentions
茶行 (Cha2 Hang2) = Tea Trading (茶行)

close to the idea of something circulating
in this context this meaning seems very likely indeed.

(on this page : http://www.nciku.com/search/zh/detail/%E8%A1%8C/1305791,
nciku also mentions "firm", "company")

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by pgho » Aug 18th, '10, 13:27

It (茶行) should mean tea trading company, at least my wife say so.

Nicolas, thanks for sharing. Amazing pictures, wonder who could be drinking all these zillions cakes of tea. With so many shops, are prices very competitive? Better than Taobao prices?

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by Victoria » Aug 18th, '10, 14:11

Great pictures, thank you! Ohhh nice tea tray shop!!

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by nicolas » Aug 18th, '10, 20:48

pgho wrote:With so many shops, are prices very competitive? Better than Taobao prices?
Indeed, prices are very competitive as these are wholesale markets meant for retailers to purchase tea and tea ware to stock up in their shops. I have seen retailers purchase hundreds of teapots to sell. I also saw an American asking questions about exporting products overseas. In most of the shops, prices are not displayed as it depends on how much you buy and whether you are a local.

Taobao is usually more expensive than buying direct because shopowners can give you discounts or freebies if you buy a larger quantity or are a regular customer.

Taobao is cheaper when it comes to:

(a) new mass market tea because some big time wholesalers have decided to go online.
e.g. http://zmd360.taobao.com/

(b) fake tea, therefore when you see tea priced at a low price on Taobao, it is most probably fake; and
e.g. http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=2255917402

(c) certain tea accessories.
e.g. http://www.01chaye.com/gallery-2-grid.html

On the whole, if buying tea, one should not use Taobao if possible because:

(a) a connoisseur should always try tea before buying;

(b) there are fakes on Taobao if you don't know what you are buying;

(c) part of the joy of puerh tea drinking is having tea sessions at the tea shop, chatting with the staff, striking a friendship with the tea master, letting them guide us on the journey of puerh and offering us a brief history of time over a lazy weekend afternoon.

That is not possible on Taobao.

However, if you are living in a remote location like Slovenia or Nordrhein-Westfalen, then Taobao is the only way you are going to get certain teas or tea ware, because the U.S. online retailers do not have everything.

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by skilfautdire » Aug 24th, '10, 06:23

On some of the pictures we see open barrels of tea on the shops' floors. Here in the West we read about and we are actually told (by those readings and forums) to keep teas in tightly closed containers, preferably the archetype sturdy 'aluminium bag' as sold by some tea shops. And then there are people also keeping teas in the fridge.

Keeping teas in large open barrels all day long strikes as being the total opposite of this practice. Are these barrels and their contents considered only decorative ? Or do they contain tea that was received overnight ? Is keeping them in those open barrels actually part of some drying or curing process ?

It is a bit puzzling.

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by nicolas » Aug 24th, '10, 08:39

The open barrels are used to store post-fermented tea. The instructions you have come across about storing tea in sealed containers and in fridges should refer to green tea and oolongs. The confusion arises because some U.S. dealers make no distinction and give the same storage (and brewing) instructions for all tea.

See the white Chinese fridges and vacuum pack sealers in:
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/guangzho ... 0_0111.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/guangzho ... 0_0115.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/guangzho ... 0_0132.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/dongguan/NIC_2054.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/shenzhen/NIC_1169.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/shenzhen/NIC_1176.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/shenzhen/NIC_1177.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/shenzhen/NIC_1180.jpg
http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/shenzhen/NIC_1190.jpg

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by tenuki » Aug 24th, '10, 14:41

I'm struck by how clean the cities are, at least the tea districts. It looks like somebody just got done pressure washing everything at street lvl. Some of the buildings clearly need exterior maintenance above street lvl but the streets and shops would put most american cities to shame. Wow, I wanna go! Thanks for the picts!

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by MarshalN » Aug 29th, '10, 01:09

Actually -- if you walk around Shanghai's tea markets you'll find greens and oolongs in large, open bins. They are usually the lower grade stuff, but they definitely don't pay as much attention to the "store in air-tight container" mantra.

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Re: Nicolas' pictures of tea shops in China

by rabbit » Sep 29th, '10, 21:44

MarshalN wrote:Actually -- if you walk around Shanghai's tea markets you'll find greens and oolongs in large, open bins. They are usually the lower grade stuff, but they definitely don't pay as much attention to the "store in air-tight container" mantra.
I wonder how many teas we buy online have been sitting in open air containers?

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