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Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question (update :p )

by dajaga » Apr 30th, '11, 15:47

Hi, I so today I ordered a Zojirushi hot water dispenser. I probably went over kill on it, I got a 4 litre VE, so it won't use as much energy because it is vacuumed sealed. Anyways I bought it because I do a lot of school work and general reading at home, and I will make a pot of water and I will forget about it and reheat it again so I usually takes me about 30 minutes to make 1 cup of tea :roll:
Anyways after thinking about it I think the 4 litres is a bit over kill. Do you think I will have any problems only filling it half way.
I liked the VE version of their hot water dispenser because it will stay at the temp I want it at for 6-8 hours. and it has an instant boil feature.
or should I try and return it and get a 2 liter one. I think the other ones have to stay on all the time to manage the proper heat :(
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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by wyardley » Apr 30th, '11, 18:19

The VE version is only in 4L. I just got one also - haven't tried underfilling it yet, but don't think it should be a problem; also, water will stay fine in there for a few days, so you can just fill it most of the way and then use it until it runs out.

One interesting thing to note is that there's two different models, one of which is cordless (using 2 AA batteries in a small compartment opposite the power inlet), and the other which is not cordless. Cordless model is ~ $180-190 vs. $150-160.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Coppery Cup » Apr 30th, '11, 18:42

I have had this model for almost a year (not the cordless one) and I like it quite a bit-my only significant complaint is that it does not have a 160 degree setting for the white teas that I buy. I would not have gotten the 4 liter, but I had to get it to get all the features I wanted.

In terms of filling it, there is no problem with filling it say half way. I usually put in 2-2.5 liters in the morning and empty leftovers before bed. The main reason I do this is the longer the water is in there, the greater mineral buildup you will accumulate. I get a milky white ring, which looks kinda gross but is supposedly not harmful. I filter my water and still need to clean the machine once every month or two. They make specific pre-measured packets for cleaning it or you can use just plain citric acid.

Let me know if you have any other questions about it.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Bob_McBob » Apr 30th, '11, 23:56

Filling it half way is not an issue. If you are going to be gone for 6-8 hours, use the timer feature to have it re-boil for when you will be back. The vacuum sealing feature increases energy efficiency a fair bit vs. the regular models, but it holds temperature as well as any thermos, gradually declining. I mainly bought the vacuum model because it only requires an average of 480 watt hours per day to maintain the 208F setting (same as running a 60W bulb for 8 hours).
wyardley wrote:One interesting thing to note is that there's two different models, one of which is cordless (using 2 AA batteries in a small compartment opposite the power inlet), and the other which is not cordless. Cordless model is ~ $180-190 vs. $150-160.
The cordless model is the same as the regular model but with the ability to run the pump off AA batteries. It's intended to be boiled and then taken outside, on a picnic, etc. The vacuum insulation doesn't really keep the water hot enough for black tea or pu'erh for any reasonable length of time, but you could certainly make green tea for hours in this fashion. When I was buying mine I didn't think it was worth the extra cost.
Coppery Cup wrote:I have had this model for almost a year (not the cordless one) and I like it quite a bit-my only significant complaint is that it does not have a 160 degree setting for the white teas that I buy. I would not have gotten the 4 liter, but I had to get it to get all the features I wanted.
The water you dispense is actually slightly below the indicated temperature anyway, so you could always dispense higher temperature water into a container and pour it from there to cool it down.

It's worth noting that the first bit of water drawn from one of these boilers is usually substantially cooler than the indicated setting because it's been sitting in the water line outside the boiler. On my CV-DSC40 the first draw is 40F below what is subsequently dispensed. If you want to draw a small amount of hot water, you should probably pour some off first (I heat cups with it).

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Coppery Cup » May 1st, '11, 13:49

I suppose I could get the tea thermometer back out and add a little cold to hot-not sure if that will produce an even temperature though. Or just wait for it to drop to 160 and pour over my tea in another cup. Couldn't find one on the market at the time that had 208, 195, 175, and 160 so no matter what I do I need a little extra effort or time in brewing white tea. 195 and 175 settings are great for green tea and the 208 setting means a re-boil for black and herbal is very quick.

My first draw is usually when the water is boiling, and it's certainly not 172 degrees. I haven't tested in a while on standing water, but it was very close to stated temp. Maybe I will test again.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by wyardley » May 1st, '11, 13:59

Coppery Cup wrote:I suppose I could get the tea thermometer back out and add a little cold to hot-not sure if that will produce an even temperature though. Or just wait for it to drop to 160 and pour over my tea in another cup. Couldn't find one on the market at the time that had 208, 195, 175, and 160 so no matter what I do I need a little extra effort or time in brewing white tea. 195 and 175 settings are great for green tea and the 208 setting means a re-boil for black and herbal is very quick.
Is there a reason you're so concerned about brewing white tea at 160 exactly? Do you get bad results when you use water that's 175? I don't drink much white or green tea, but if anything, I think white tea is supposed to be able to handle hotter water than many greens, and due to the extra oxidation.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by wyardley » May 1st, '11, 14:02

Bob_McBob wrote: The cordless model is the same as the regular model but with the ability to run the pump off AA batteries. It's intended to be boiled and then taken outside, on a picnic, etc.
In some households, the water dispenser is kept on the table and moved out of the way when people eat. That's one very good reason to have the cordless dispensing (it's annoying to have to move the cord).

I also got the cordless one so that I can try taking it out to my tea making area to refill the kettle; water pre-heated to close to boiling will come to a boil relatively quickly, even on an alcohol burner. However, haven't yet seen whether the re-boiling, the coating in the container, scale buildup, etc. causes the water to taste funny.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by dajaga » May 1st, '11, 14:27

Hey thanks for the replies.
Anyways I was wondering what would be the best settings to use.
I mostly drink green tea. I generally wake up at 7am got get home from school around 1230 and work at 4 home at 9pm I will usually drink my last cup of tea at 1030.
I want to try to use the most cost effective way to keep the water warm throughout the day. Also people will be home after 4pm so it would be nice to have warm water through out the evening for them.
Thanks again
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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Bob_McBob » May 1st, '11, 14:53

wyardley wrote: In some households, the water dispenser is kept on the table and moved out of the way when people eat. That's one very good reason to have the cordless dispensing (it's annoying to have to move the cord).

I also got the cordless one so that I can try taking it out to my tea making area to refill the kettle; water pre-heated to close to boiling will come to a boil relatively quickly, even on an alcohol burner. However, haven't yet seen whether the re-boiling, the coating in the container, scale buildup, etc. causes the water to taste funny.
Good points. I don't keep either of mine anywhere they need to be moved except to be filled, but I occasionally wish I had the cordless dispensing for sitting outside. Because of the way I bought them the cordless model would have been significantly more expensive than the typical price difference.

I also use one of these as my hot water source at work. There is no sink, so having 4L of ready to dispense water close to boiling is incredibly useful.
dajaga wrote:Hey thanks for the replies.
Anyways I was wondering what would be the best settings to use.
I mostly drink green tea. I generally wake up at 7am got get home from school around 1230 and work at 4 home at 9pm I will usually drink my last cup of tea at 1030.
I want to try to use the most cost effective way to keep the water warm throughout the day. Also people will be home after 4pm so it would be nice to have warm water through out the evening for them.
The minimum setting on the timer is 6 hours, and you want it to be on in the evening. I suggest you just leave it turned on all day unless you don't mind waiting for it to re-boil when you get home from school. You can set the timer for 8 hours when you go to bed and it will be ready for you in the morning. These water dispensers are made to be on all the time, and the vacuum insulated model doesn't use a horrible amount of electricity. At the 175F setting the CV-DSC40 uses 336 Wh for an entire day of keep warm. That's about the same as boiling a 1.5L kettle from room temperature a couple times.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Coppery Cup » May 1st, '11, 15:14

wyardley wrote:
Coppery Cup wrote:I suppose I could get the tea thermometer back out and add a little cold to hot-not sure if that will produce an even temperature though. Or just wait for it to drop to 160 and pour over my tea in another cup. Couldn't find one on the market at the time that had 208, 195, 175, and 160 so no matter what I do I need a little extra effort or time in brewing white tea. 195 and 175 settings are great for green tea and the 208 setting means a re-boil for black and herbal is very quick.
Is there a reason you're so concerned about brewing white tea at 160 exactly? Do you get bad results when you use water that's 175? I don't drink much white or green tea, but if anything, I think white tea is supposed to be able to handle hotter water than many greens, and due to the extra oxidation.
158 is the retailer's recommended brewing temperature for my white teas. I go with 160 because my machine only displays temp in 5 degree increments. However, I'd be lying if I said I never just brewed it at 175 instead.

My machine does have a magnetic, detachable power cord, so it is easy to move out of the way if necessary, but does not dispense that way.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by edkrueger » May 2nd, '11, 16:52

That 158 number has nothing to do with precision. 158F is 70C.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by dajaga » May 7th, '11, 00:15

Well I got the zoji today, and already it changed my life :mrgreen: :mrgreen: I came home from work today and water was already to go just had to wait 3 minutes for the steep to be done.
Anyways I did some testing of the temps, and it seems like the 195 after being poured into my tea pot (0.7 liters) it cools right down to 180 according to my thermometer. The 175 cools it down too much to make green tea.
Does anyone know how much a month it costs to keep this thing going?

Also I don't miss my old stainless kettle that has been put in the cupboard of shame :twisted:

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question

by Bob_McBob » May 7th, '11, 14:55

dajaga wrote:Does anyone know how much a month it costs to keep this thing going?
According to the manual, at 195F it uses about 408 W·h per day for keep warm. That's about the same as running a 60W bulb for 7 hours. Initially boiling 4L of water from 10C uses a little more, so overall usage will depend on how often you refill it, whether you use the timer at night, and how much power costs in your area.

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Re: Zojirushi CV-DSC40 VE question (update :p )

by entropyembrace » May 7th, '11, 15:02

You´re seeing the temperature drop so much because your tea pot is acting as a heat sink, it´s absorbing the heat from the water. If you want to keep the temperature more stable you need to pre-heat your pot before brewing. Fill the pot with hot water, let it warm up then pour out the water. Now you can add the tea leaves to your pot and brew normally but with the pot warmed up you´ll find the temperature is much more stable.

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