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What is 天目杯 cups?

by auhckw » Aug 21st, '11, 10:40

Someone was telling me about this 天目杯... and I did a search on the net... so beautiful but not cheap. Anyone has more info? Or the english name for it? Where to buy online from a trusted vendor?

http://tinyurl.com/3g79fkn

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by TomVerlain » Aug 21st, '11, 10:53

tenmoku is what I call ti

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenmoku

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by auhckw » Aug 21st, '11, 11:26

Thanks for the english word. With it, I managed to find a local shop selling it :)

http://www.tenmokupottery.com.my/

Will be going to visit them when free
http://www.midvalley.com.my/store/leisu ... nmoku1.asp

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by TIM » Aug 21st, '11, 12:15

http://themandarinstea.blogspot.com/200 ... d-tea.html

Started in the Tang dynasty, it makes the water lighter, rounder and sweeter. A great connection thru earth, tea and human being.

http://theteagallery.blogspot.com/2008/ ... aware.html

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by Tead Off » Aug 21st, '11, 13:26

Originally called brown and black wares, they evolved from the Six Dynasties Period beginning in 5th century and evolved into the Jian style Hare's fur which Tim illustrates in his blog dating from the Northern Song period, 12th century.

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by mrln3talsn » Sep 6th, '11, 20:46

I have forgotten most of my written Chinese but the first two read as
Tian Mu ..... I am ex USAF Mandarin Chinese Linguist and once stationed in Bangkok as on reply was posted from there. Sa baide ru kup?

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by Drax » Sep 6th, '11, 20:57

mrln3talsn wrote:I have forgotten most of my written Chinese but the first two read as
Tian Mu ..... I am ex USAF Mandarin Chinese Linguist and once stationed in Bangkok as on reply was posted from there. Sa baide ru kup?
That's good to know, but in this case, the pottery in question is Japanese, so the characters should be read in Japanese, and that's why it's "ten moku" ...

Given that Japanese borrowed the kanji characters (and many of the pronunciations) from Chinese, I'm sure there's a traceable history of the morphing of "tian" into "ten" and such....

Edit: hrm, interesting... the wikipedia page mentions 'tian mu' but it has a picture of a Chinese Song Dynasty that it still calls tenmoku...

Is 'tian mu' used at all (outside China)? I had not seen 天目 in any context other than Japanese until this point...

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by bagua7 » Sep 7th, '11, 02:43

Tead Off wrote:Originally called brown and black wares, they evolved from the Six Dynasties Period beginning in 5th century and evolved into the Jian style Hare's fur which Tim illustrates in his blog dating from the Northern Song period, 12th century.
Yes, impressive cups the ones TIM has got. Also the black and wares include tortoiseshell, partridge feathers and oil spots. I look forward to owning teacups made of this specific ware someday but outside Asia it would be a real challenge, especially online.

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Re: What is 天目杯 cups?

by Herb_Master » Sep 7th, '11, 13:29

bagua7 wrote:
but outside Asia it would be a real challenge, especially online.
Interesting thought - I studied pottery at School 1962-1966

Our pottery master, Barry Gregson used to spend the summer vacations working for Bernard Leech and for a few summers Shoji Hamada was in residence. Tenmoku glaze, a recipe given to Barry by Hamada was one of the four school glazes that we were able to use on our measly efforts.

I was never totally captivated by Tenmoku alone but when it was applied over or under a 2nd glaze (the name of which escapes me, I think it was cobalt base) it produced a stunning Blue colour!

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