YAYEQ (Yet Another Yixing-eBay Question)

[Chip]

Your "abusive moderator" is locking this topic pending review ... and further action(s). How is that for "odd" and "too bad?"



I will reopen this topic after again cleaning up ... sorry Drax for allowing your topic to get so far OT.

[Chip]

... and unlocked. The topic is intact with one "exception."

I decided against deleting members' posts from yet another topic due to the same member ...

[Drax]

Thanks, Chip, I'll see if I can get it back on track with another question -- which I'm doing back to the poorly formed dragon pot on eBay that I linked in my first post.

One of the things I was trying to understand about that pot -- perhaps it was meant to look like that?

By that, I mean the Japanese seller usually calls all China-origin teapots as "shudei" pots (which is a generic term for unglazed reddish-brown pots). So technically (repeat, "technically") there's no yixing claim here.

That's fine. I guess my question is -- what are the chances that this pot was meant to be like this? Either because it was a "modernist" attempt or because it was a person's very first pot? One thing that really struck me about it was the chop -- it's really, *really* crappy. It actually makes no sense. I suppose it could be damaged, but it looks... like a cubist version of a typical chop.

So again, is it possible this little pot was made to be what it is and nothing more...? (if that makes sense) I mean, if *i* tried to make a teapot, it would probably end up looking like that... I certainly wouldn't be deluded that it was anything great, but if I got rid of it, and it changed hands a bunch and then ended up in the hands of a foreign antique dealer............????

[chrl42]

There's lot of foos!

Those lion sitted pots are late-Qing~ROC creations. Some exist in Zhuni too..first pot seems to made in poor quality..letter of lid follows CR style but it should have ZGYX then..it could be fake or ROC too..overall it's poorly made.

Second pot I like the most, letter inside the lid seems Thai character? it's a pot worth to know its origin IMHO.

Third pot says it's made by Chen Ding He..ROC pot if it's real. Overall I'd take a time to study 2nd pot if they were near me

[TomVerlain]

Since the pot is obviously cast, it is by definition a copy. A copy of what though ? The high relief of the dragons is not very yixing like and the bump feet are not either. I would guess it was made to be an inexpensive pot, for decoration more than for utility. The thinness of the walls and the clay type don't look really promising. The "aging" is a put up job. Real wear would make the chips in the rim just as old as the rest of it looks. Proper wear is a better indication of age than dust or dirt. The insides of my pots are dark, but the outsides are not. If I let the pot sit - in what kind of environment would it be to get that dirty ? Not through use, as handling would keep it cleaner. Just sitting would not make the bottom the same blackness as the top and sides. I have a few pots that I bought for look before I understood about function. Bats and Coins and pumpkin shaped, they sit on a shelf and remain unused, but to the casual glance, pretty.

[Chip]

Hi Chip,could you do me the favour of saying thank you to Chrl for his reply which I have just seen?

... aaaand ... done.

[bagua7]

Bats and Coins and pumpkin shaped, they sit on a shelf and remain unused, but to the casual glance, pretty.

I never liked those things on a pot, reminds me too much of Dracula and all the vampire movies that scared the hell out of me when I was a toddler.

Like this one:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-19th-centu ... 231b778a5b

[Drax]

If I let the pot sit - in what kind of environment would it be to get that dirty ?

Clearly these pots are the teapots of shoeshiners.... you know, they brew up tea at work, and when they're done shining somebody's shoes, they just throw their dirty rag (the one covered in shoe polish) wherever, and sometimes it lands on the teapot, and over time.... voila!

[chrl42]

It reads - 圆满菩提，late-Qing~ROC seal. Possibility of being fake is rather rare, I think.