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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by bagua7 » Jul 19th, '13, 06:27

William wrote:This should be a method of working by hand, right?
Like when you fly a Boeing, by hand too (but really in autopilot mode). :lol:

Here, a brief video about how is done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31ZdSwbZHg

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by William » Jul 19th, '13, 09:29

bagua7 wrote:
William wrote:This should be a method of working by hand, right?
Like when you fly a Boeing, by hand too (but really in autopilot mode). :lol:

Here, a brief video about how is done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q31ZdSwbZHg
I watched the video you posted, but as rightly said Teaism, if my teapot had been worked that way, should not present inside all that mallet mark.
That said, despite my inexperience, I am inclined to exclude this processing method.

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by Tead Off » Jul 22nd, '13, 13:12

This is definitely wheel thrown and would indicate either a Taiwanese mfg., or Chao Zhou unless they've started to make wheel thrown Yixing. What is unusual is the scraping of the bottom interior which is usually seen on Yixing teapots.

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by William » Jul 22nd, '13, 15:18

Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by Tead Off » Jul 22nd, '13, 23:26

William wrote:Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?
There is always the possibility that Yixing clay may have been used in both Taiwan and Chao Zhou but the presence of wheel marks leads me to believe the teapot is not made in Yixing. Unless the seller can give you accurate information, you will not get to the bottom of this.

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by William » Jul 24th, '13, 05:36

Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?
There is always the possibility that Yixing clay may have been used in both Taiwan and Chao Zhou but the presence of wheel marks leads me to believe the teapot is not made in Yixing. Unless the seller can give you accurate information, you will not get to the bottom of this.
You're right, I have not thought about the possibility that it is yixing clay worked in Taiwan and Chao Zhou.
A question therefore arises me, what are the main characteristics that distinguishes the Yixing clay than that extracted near Chao Zhou or Taiwan?

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by Tead Off » Jul 24th, '13, 06:26

William wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?
There is always the possibility that Yixing clay may have been used in both Taiwan and Chao Zhou but the presence of wheel marks leads me to believe the teapot is not made in Yixing. Unless the seller can give you accurate information, you will not get to the bottom of this.
You're right, I have not thought about the possibility that it is yixing clay worked in Taiwan and Chao Zhou.
A question therefore arises me, what are the main characteristics that distinguishes the Yixing clay than that extracted near Chao Zhou or Taiwan?
For me, a better question is how pure are the clays from anywhere? Good clay with iron content will usually make good tea no matter where it comes from. Then you get into the aesthetics and styles. I have no prejudice for any of them but there are probably more styles to choose from with Yixing and more problems to worry about, too. They are overhyped, over-priced, and over-rated unless you can get older teapots using pure clays.

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by William » Jul 24th, '13, 06:33

Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?
There is always the possibility that Yixing clay may have been used in both Taiwan and Chao Zhou but the presence of wheel marks leads me to believe the teapot is not made in Yixing. Unless the seller can give you accurate information, you will not get to the bottom of this.
You're right, I have not thought about the possibility that it is yixing clay worked in Taiwan and Chao Zhou.
A question therefore arises me, what are the main characteristics that distinguishes the Yixing clay than that extracted near Chao Zhou or Taiwan?
For me, a better question is how pure are the clays from anywhere? Good clay with iron content will usually make good tea no matter where it comes from. Then you get into the aesthetics and styles. I have no prejudice for any of them but there are probably more styles to choose from with Yixing and more problems to worry about, too. They are overhyped, over-priced, and over-rated unless you can get older teapots using pure clays.
So a good clay, indifferently from the place where it comes from, should contain numerous minerals inside, including iron, right?

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Re: Identification of a Yixing teapot.

by Tead Off » Jul 24th, '13, 07:02

William wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
William wrote:Ok, so the main possibilities should be three.
1) Yixing clay.
2) Taiwanese clay.
3) Chao Zhou clay.

I think the only way to reach a solution is to compare it with other teapots in person. I am planning to buy a teapot which I'm sure is Yixing, comparing it with this and check if I can see similarities or differences about the clay.
Think might be a good method?
There is always the possibility that Yixing clay may have been used in both Taiwan and Chao Zhou but the presence of wheel marks leads me to believe the teapot is not made in Yixing. Unless the seller can give you accurate information, you will not get to the bottom of this.
You're right, I have not thought about the possibility that it is yixing clay worked in Taiwan and Chao Zhou.
A question therefore arises me, what are the main characteristics that distinguishes the Yixing clay than that extracted near Chao Zhou or Taiwan?
For me, a better question is how pure are the clays from anywhere? Good clay with iron content will usually make good tea no matter where it comes from. Then you get into the aesthetics and styles. I have no prejudice for any of them but there are probably more styles to choose from with Yixing and more problems to worry about, too. They are overhyped, over-priced, and over-rated unless you can get older teapots using pure clays.
So a good clay, indifferently from the place where it comes from, should contain numerous minerals inside, including iron, right?
It is the iron content of Chinese and Japanese clays that make them so good for tea. But pure clay with iron content can be found in many places in the world. You don't have to stick with Yixing teapots to enjoy good tea. You are more likely to be bamboozled by Yixing teapots than any other type I know. Open your mind and open your eyes. You can read of the many buyers who have been misled by sellers advertising and making false claims about Yixing from age to clay type.

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