Fake Dayis

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Nov 21st, '13, 20:13
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Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 20:13

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I am wondering how you can tell if a Menghai Dayi is real or fake. I recently bought this tea for auction on Ebay. As I cannot know the theory it is fake is true I will not mention the seller. Some aspects seem slightly wrong. The seal was slightly different than other Dayis I have bought. The paper with the tea (the interior paper descriptive) was all black and white. If it is a fake it is a decent tea. It is a bit more camphory than other ripe Dayis I have drank. It was a 2009 Menghai Dayi 7572 Ripe Tea. It is just small and subtle things that make me wonder if it is a fake.

Nov 21st, '13, 20:37
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 20:37

That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:03
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Re: Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 21:03

mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
Are you saying they took a left over wrapper and used it? I may just buy the one in your link to see the difference.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:08
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Re: Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 21:08

mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:10
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 21:10

AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
Are you saying they took a left over wrapper and used it? I may just buy the one in your link to see the difference.
I would say that maybe the cake had been unwrapped. I am not sure if they unwrapped it for a photo or not. But if you check Dragon Teahouse , Berylleb King tea, Red Lantern tea store, Yunnan Sourcing as well as others you can clearly see the "continuity" that Dayi has incorporated into their packaging. It may be a real cake that was opened and re wrapped but I would have to leave that inference to you as the cake is not where i could get a closer look.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:13
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 21:13

AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap. http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:44
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Re: Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 21:44

mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.
Thanks for the suggestion. Bought the light on Ebay. Should have it in a few days and will test the Dayi. However, when I peeled the seal off the tea it came off very easily, too easily. If they re-wrapped it as you surmise they might have gotten hold of a used Menghai Dayi seal. That would explain why it was not stuck on like every other Dayi I have bought.

Nov 21st, '13, 21:55
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 21:55

AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.
Thanks for the suggestion. Bought the light on Ebay. Should have it in a few days and will test the Dayi. However, when I peeled the seal off the tea it came off very easily, too easily. If they re-wrapped it as you surmise they might have gotten hold of a used Menghai Dayi seal. That would explain why it was not stuck on like every other Dayi I have bought.
That is what I was thinking. If you are looking for Dayi feel free to pass the link to me before you buy if you wish. I may not be perfect but maybe I can spot ones that are questionable. The tags on the inside will vary as to how much tea covers them but most have a little more than that and a lot are "submarined" and buried so that most of it is covered.

Nov 21st, '13, 22:02
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Re: Fake Dayis

by quikstep » Nov 21st, '13, 22:02

Hi.

I think you should probably name the vendor.

Some comparisons had been made about 7572 901 http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/articles ... index.html

Yours look exactly as described.

Nov 21st, '13, 22:07
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 22:07

quikstep wrote:Hi.

I think you should probably name the vendor.

Some comparisons had been made about 7572 901 http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/articles ... index.html

Yours look exactly as described.
Nice post Quickstep! :)

Nov 21st, '13, 22:08
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 22:08

quikstep wrote:Hi.

I think you should probably name the vendor.

Some comparisons had been made about 7572 901 http://www.nicolastang.com/tea/articles ... index.html

Yours look exactly as described.
Yeah a name may keep this from happening again.

Nov 21st, '13, 22:13
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Re: Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 22:13

mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.
Thanks for the suggestion. Bought the light on Ebay. Should have it in a few days and will test the Dayi. However, when I peeled the seal off the tea it came off very easily, too easily. If they re-wrapped it as you surmise they might have gotten hold of a used Menghai Dayi seal. That would explain why it was not stuck on like every other Dayi I have bought.
That is what I was thinking. If you are looking for Dayi feel free to pass the link to me before you buy if you wish. I may not be perfect but maybe I can spot ones that are questionable. The tags on the inside will vary as to how much tea covers them but most have a little more than that and a lot are "submarined" and buried so that most of it is covered.
I think I will buy the one in your link and compare it. If I could be certain it is definitely fake I would certainly name the vendor. At this point I am not ready to. I will say it was not one of the major Tea dealers, he had only 20 feedback credits to his name.

Nov 21st, '13, 22:18
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Re: Fake Dayis

by mr mopu » Nov 21st, '13, 22:18

AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.
Thanks for the suggestion. Bought the light on Ebay. Should have it in a few days and will test the Dayi. However, when I peeled the seal off the tea it came off very easily, too easily. If they re-wrapped it as you surmise they might have gotten hold of a used Menghai Dayi seal. That would explain why it was not stuck on like every other Dayi I have bought.
That is what I was thinking. If you are looking for Dayi feel free to pass the link to me before you buy if you wish. I may not be perfect but maybe I can spot ones that are questionable. The tags on the inside will vary as to how much tea covers them but most have a little more than that and a lot are "submarined" and buried so that most of it is covered.
I think I will buy the one in your link and compare it. If I could be certain it is definitely fake I would certainly name the vendor. At this point I am not ready to.
The tea in the link is "Real" and I have it in my cupboard. I always use the light and the seller I linked has never sold me a "fake".

Nov 21st, '13, 22:27
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Re: Fake Dayis

by AllanK » Nov 21st, '13, 22:27

mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:
AllanK wrote:
mr mopu wrote:That has been re wrapped. This link will show another Menghai cake that is "wrapped" in the proper way. Notice how the quality tag sets on top of the info printed on the wrapper. Menghai Dayi cakes from about 2008 are ALL wrapped in the same fashion if they are not "tampered" with. The outer tag should glow under a fluorescent and show the word Dayi under such a light. The outer tag should also have the word Dayi in the fleur de lis under the menghai symbol. Here is a link that will hopefully clear it up for you.http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-Yunnan-Men ... 79198a13cb. I never buy any Dayi without a picture of the back of the cake to avoid these things.
You say it should glow under a fluorescent light? Only fluorescent, I don't think my apartment lighting is fluorescent but will try.
You would need a light like this one and they are cheap.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2in1-Handheld-P ... 3cca7d8ca2. Works every time.
Thanks for the suggestion. Bought the light on Ebay. Should have it in a few days and will test the Dayi. However, when I peeled the seal off the tea it came off very easily, too easily. If they re-wrapped it as you surmise they might have gotten hold of a used Menghai Dayi seal. That would explain why it was not stuck on like every other Dayi I have bought.
That is what I was thinking. If you are looking for Dayi feel free to pass the link to me before you buy if you wish. I may not be perfect but maybe I can spot ones that are questionable. The tags on the inside will vary as to how much tea covers them but most have a little more than that and a lot are "submarined" and buried so that most of it is covered.
I think I will buy the one in your link and compare it. If I could be certain it is definitely fake I would certainly name the vendor. At this point I am not ready to.
The tea in the link is "Real" and I have it in my cupboard. I always use the light and the seller I linked has never sold me a "fake".
I bought a tea from Berylleb King Tea, the exact same 7572 I thought I had bought. I should be able to compare the two in about two weeks or so.

Nov 22nd, '13, 03:00
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Re: Fake Dayis

by chin » Nov 22nd, '13, 03:00

Information and pictures on fake Dayi Tea's. I have attached the link below in Translated version.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... qRwor-Nh5g

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