new Kuro Chawan

[Tube]

Hello guys,
I want to buy a new Kuro Chawan, which you advise me?
spending max 800-1300 $
I thought about this:
http://www.hibiki-an.com/product_info.p ... cts_id/548

[BioHorn]

Hello guys,
I want to buy a new Kuro Chawan, which you advise me?
spending max 800-1300 $
I thought about this:
http://www.hibiki-an.com/product_info.p ... cts_id/548

Hi!
Kuro Raku is quite beautiful. It has a great contrast against the green matcha.
I went through that search two years ago. You should be able to find a decent one for $50-200. As some more experienced member will attest to high-end getting to the $2,500-5,000 range.

If you are starting, may I suggest getting any one that appeals to you. As you use it over time, you might find what you are specifically looking for in the next one (balance, size, weight and those natural but funtional little details.)

I have personally had good results with various purchases from this vendor:

http://www.ebay.com/usr/japanese.artisa ... 2749.l2754

I am still quite happy with the items.

Others have suggested the Japanese auction forum directly. Hopefully someone will post a direct link. The name escapes me, but the variety and value seems quite good. Maybe you have to pay a handling fee.

Good luck and please share photos!



Best

[pedant]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JE6-Vintage-Jap ... 1534977717

to my untrained eye, this one sure looks similar



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can you tell i don't know anything about chawans?

[theroots]

Almost 1000$ for a Shoraku Sasaki III Chawan?!
I saw plenty of his bowls (almost looks like he's flooding the market) but non of it was priced higher than 300$. Many of his bowls sell for less than 100$. If you're looking for such on eBay you'll find offers like this:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/2003732-JAPANESE ... 1645904428

[Tead Off]

Hello guys,
I want to buy a new Kuro Chawan, which you advise me?
spending max 800-1300 $
I thought about this:
http://www.hibiki-an.com/product_info.p ... cts_id/548

I have to assume that you are new to buying chawan if you are asking for advice for such an expensive bowl here on Teachat. This is not a bad place to ask questions, but when you get into higher end Japanese bowls, you should know something about why you want to spend so much money. Why do you want to spend so much money on a bowl that you seem to know little about? At this level, you should be buying things that you might want to sell off later and not lose a good portion of your investment. So, the question you should be asking is which artists do you want to put your money into without much risk of having to sell it in the future? For this kind of advice, you should be working very closely with a professional dealer or collector who really knows their stuff. That usually means a Japanese person who is in touch with the current market and the antique market in Japan as that is where the real action is in this kind of teaware.

[JBaymore]

What Tead Off said +1.

UNLESS.... and we all often make assumptions based on our own circumstances..... that $1000-ish price range for YOU, because of your personal economic situation, is what to many others would be a much lower equivalent Dollar amount.

Meaning... if you can burn that amount like it is 'pocket change'.... then a $1000 bowl for YOU might be in a "starter range" whereas for many (likely most here) others that is a price level that is something to eventually aspire to. That means you can likely aspire to Chawan in the much higher ranges.

If you haven't already... look up a local Uresenke chapter. Learn about what these objects are MADE for. Become an educated consumer...that understanding of Chawan simply cannot be done "online".

best,

................john

[JBaymore]

Almost 1000$ for a Shoraku Sasaki III Chawan?!
I saw plenty of his bowls (almost looks like he's flooding the market) but non of it was priced higher than 300$. Many of his bowls sell for less than 100$.

There are a LOT of people making some serious money on marking up the work of Japanese potters who are really not all that "famous" or "known" for their work in Japan. They buy it 'for a song'. Then use "mystique" to get a far higher price.

Japanese ceramics is a terribly competitive market with an educated consumer for the most part. To have higher prices there... you'd better be good. (And "connected helps too.) Many lesser-known folks there sell work (of all types) for LESS than their typical American counterparts might here in the USA (most people don't know this.)

Arrrggghhhhh. Don't get me started

best,

................john

[BioHorn]

Almost 1000$ for a Shoraku Sasaki III Chawan?!
I saw plenty of his bowls (almost looks like he's flooding the market) but non of it was priced higher than 300$. Many of his bowls sell for less than 100$.

There are a LOT of people making some serious money on marking up the work of Japanese potters who are really not all that "famous" or "known" for their work in Japan. They buy it 'for a song'. Then use "mystique" to get a far higher price.

Japanese ceramics is a terribly competitive market with an educated consumer for the most part. To have higher prices there... you'd better be good. (And "connected helps too.) Many lesser-known folks there sell work (of all types) for LESS than their typical American counterparts might here in the USA (most people don't know this.)

Arrrggghhhhh. Don't get me started

best,

................john

Glad to see you chime in here. I was thinking of you while writing my 1st response. Ridiculous markup is right.

[Fuut]

To OP

You could go for a multiple if you have such cash ready to spend:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/H803-Japanese-K ... 4d3e35b5fc

Although the name is the same, i quite like the red version of the one OP posted. Unfortunately though out of my price range

[ethan]

I like ceramics & appreciate the work (& sometimes love) that go into the making of a piece. Nonetheless, the essential ingredient, clay, is dirt. Skill & creativity that result in beauty & utility may be wonderful, but how does the work of one potter get to be valued 50 times more than another's work, and again, both use clay.
One may know that Picasso's simplest work is not the work of a child, that thought etc. went into it; yet, how different is it than some children's drawings--$20 different?
I say support your local potter & those who socialize w/ you (even via internet), not the world of marketing, branding, etc. The Korean potters etc. who are spoken of here or who speak themselves are connected to us--ebay etc. is not.
I was lucky enough to buy 2 yixing pots that are pre-Cultural Revolution for a reasonable price. I could not afford them & quickly put 1 up for sale on Ebay. I asked the buyer to tell me what tea(s) he chose to use the previously unused pot for & how it was performing. I never heard from him (which means it passed inspection since it was not returned for refund which is good but I wanted just a few words).
Anyway spouting off back in my room on a tea high. Super-fresh tea must pack more caffeine.

[ethan]

I meant to write $20 million different. Not just $20

[William]

I think you all guys are going way to much off topic!

Advise the original poster with his original question and (for all the correlated themes) create a new thread, no?