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by chrl42 » Oct 23rd, '08, 02:38

Drax wrote:Okay, very interesting... but now I'm confused (yes, it happens very easily on the topic of tea for me).

I take the conversation to mean that there's no "original" Yixing clay floating around. Okay, that's understandable. What are pots sold as "yixing" made from then? Just similar clay from other places?

How do you know you even have something that's made from a good type of porous mineral clay..., i.e. the point of getting such a pot (as far as I knew)?
OK, I haven't checked out what that original ones might have made from,

But first you have to know the situation of Yixing clay. In Ming, Qing or ROC, yixing clay was not scarce at all, until after 50' and factories had been contructed, went on mass production, cared about quantity over quality. That situation, eventually drove Yixing clay scarce.

And over times, quality suffered. For example, what nowadays calls as 'sought-after' clay such as Di Cao Qing, 30 yrs ago it was just normal clay. Nowadays calls as 'rare' clay such as Jiang Po ni, Hong Pi Long 30yrs ago, it was just clay to make a vase, ornament, ceramic not teapot.

But to satisfy the boom caused in China and Asia or even West, nearby mountains, similar clay are still being exploited. But natural silica, iron contained amount decreasing, average temperature of firing getting lower, grits getting bigger, color out of kiln isn't satisfying enough.

Modern yixing mine, Hu Fu, as well has good yixing clay. But iron oxide is added to give more red color to Zhuni, polyester-installed cutters are used to rid of grits, clays are mixed or paste, in reminiscent of Huang Long Mt.

And I haven't mentioned Zhejiang muds yet.

Peace

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by xuancheng » Oct 23rd, '08, 10:51

chrl42,

I was wondering if you could suggest some books or other reading where I could learn more about Yixing clays, pots, etc.

your post in the tea book section was duly noted. Which book (or website) is best to learn about the clay, mineral makeup and areas in which mines are located?

I can read Chinese and English, any suggestions most appreciated.

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by wyardley » Oct 23rd, '08, 13:49

xuancheng wrote:I was wondering if you could suggest some books or other reading where I could learn more about Yixing clays, pots, etc.

your post in the tea book section was duly noted. Which book (or website) is best to learn about the clay, mineral makeup and areas in which mines are located?

I can read Chinese and English, any suggestions most appreciated.
Hey - good to see you here. :>

I have a bunch of books & can mail you some of the ones I have that are only in Chinese if you're willing to translate some of the interesting bits for everyone's benefit. I am not sure yet how much each of them have on types of clays and stuff, but Imen is borrowing a few of them now, so I'll ask her if any of them have sections on that.

BTW, I don't find the text that interesting, but just for the pictures, this one is fantastic, though expensive / hard to find:
http://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Yixing-Te ... 028&sr=8-4

It's got a lot more of the type of pots I'd want to use to make tea (simple ones), and less of the really ornate ones that tend to make it into most books I've seen.

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by xuancheng » Oct 23rd, '08, 21:57

wyardley wrote: I have a bunch of books & can mail you some of the ones I have that are only in Chinese if you're willing to translate some of the interesting bits for everyone's benefit. I am not sure yet how much each of them have on types of clays and stuff, but Imen is borrowing a few of them now, so I'll ask her if any of them have sections on that.
It would seem kind of redundant to mail the books back to China and then mail them to you again when I'm done. How about scanning them if there is anything you want translated?

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