Uji, Yame and Shizuoka -- Tastes different?

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by Chip » Jul 7th, '09, 01:48

Tead Off wrote:Hmm. Has anyone answered the OP's question about differences between prefectures? Uji vs Shizuoka?
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Yes ... and no. It is impossible to generalize in these terms since there are many other factors to consider including breed, etc.

Still, Kagoshima is likely my fave prefecture due to their innovations in breeds.

Uji is steeped in traditions.

Shizuoka is tea for the masses.

Yame is pretty unique in a similar way as Kagoshima is unique.
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by Oni » Jul 7th, '09, 05:02

I observed that hibiki-an, introduced Honzu reed covered gardens for only two of their teas one is matcha pinnacel, the other kuradashi gyokuro pinncle, so I think they are fond of kuradashi gyokuro and that is why they made the extra effort, they also wrote that there are only 10 gardens in whole japan who still use this time consuming effort, and making kuradashi gyokuro is a very traditional Uji method, because yame never makes kuradashi teas, I read somewhere that mr. Higashi wrote about yame gyokuro that it is frozen in minus 25 C until final processing, and all yame gyokuro are very fresh teas, like a shincha gyokuro, so they are inovative, and winning the tea competition years in a row at the gyokuro section, and shizuoka wins generally in the fukamushi section, kagoshima in the sencha 10 kg section, Uji always wins in the matcha section, generally this means for you to search for the best matcha in Uji region, best gyokuro in Yame region, and best deep steamed in shizuoka, best sencha in Kagoshima, kumamoto, Chiran region and Yamato.

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by Tead Off » Jul 7th, '09, 08:05

Good reply, Oni. Lots of info to digest.

Thanks to you, too, Chip.

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by TEAcipes » Jul 7th, '09, 14:52

wow, this thread is on FIRE!!! :twisted:

I can attest to the whole mod'ing thing to be legit... I mean, there are a few vendor employees here (myself included), but we're still allowed to post so long as we're not, you know, spamming. Just trying to keep this space more comfy and easy to read, you know?

That said, back to the original topic- regional differences. My general opinion is that the more south the region, the sweeter the tea. I find Shizuoka teas to be a little more bitter than, say, Kagoshima. And with Uji teas, the matcha from this region trumps all. Just sayin'.
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by Miles Prower » Jul 8th, '09, 00:56

Tead Off wrote:Hmm. Has anyone answered the OP's question about differences between prefectures? Uji vs Shizuoka? Somehow this thread has been hijacked by behavior studies and rhetoric. I'd love to hear the perceptions of the teas from these different regions.
I agree. Better post new topic to really discuss about prefecture differences?

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by Chip » Jul 8th, '09, 01:17

No, we promise to be good! :lol:

Continue discussing Japanese prefecture teas here. :idea:
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by inspectoring » Jul 9th, '09, 03:03

now I am very curious about the link :)
In any case - I think I posted couple of month ago an inquiry regarding gyokuro from specific regions. If memory serves me right - yame was considered to be the most desirable one. But then again, den's tea sells shizouka gyokuro and defends it as if it were the best thing on earth.

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by Ed » Jul 9th, '09, 07:59

I'm still not convinced that growing region is as big of a factor as we sometimes think it is. I'm sure the soil and the local weather conditions do have some effect but I still believe the varietal and the processing methods are going to be much bigger factors. A tomato still tastes like a tomato whether you grow it in California or New York.

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by Chip » Jul 9th, '09, 08:53

I think innovation versus tradtion is a big factor in this. I have always paid a lot of attention to prefecture, going out of my way to sample as many examples from each. I see trade offs taking place, but there are good and bad examples from everywhere. There is no guarantee that an Uji tea is going to be great. And generalizations can be a dangerous basis for purchasing.

Kagoshima is willing and able to be very innovative, willing to change mentality. They are able to use different breeds due to warmer climate perhaps, but they are also willing. Then they experiment with new and different ways to manufacture the leaf creating many innovative products.

Then there is an argument for specialization such as Yame and Gyokuro while still including innovation to create unique green products.

Uji sometimes seems so steeped in tradition, that they trade innovation in favor of traditions. Still they produce great teas while mostly sticking with good ole Yabukita breed.

Shizuoka is able to simply produce massive amounts of tea being the home of Yabukita breed, the highest output breed, is this their priority? They still manage to produce exceptional fukamushi, along with some outstanding asamushi. They also produce huge amounts of inexpensive teas. I hear that the high mountain organics from Shizuoka may be the best organics.

Thus ... generally speaking:
Kagoshima=Innovation
Yame=Gyokuro and innovative sencha
Uji=TRADITION
Shizuoka=Massive producer, sometimes quantity over quality.
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by Salsero » Jul 9th, '09, 09:39

Thanks, Chip. I find that distillation very helpful!

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by TEAcipes » Jul 9th, '09, 12:36

Ed wrote:I'm sure the soil and the local weather conditions do have some effect but I still believe the varietal and the processing methods are going to be much bigger factors. A tomato still tastes like a tomato whether you grow it in California or New York.
Ah-HAH, but I digress.
my tomatos > your tomatos

WHY?

In all plants (and breeds of plants), soil acidity, air humidity, and sunlight harshness (is that even a real word?) plays crazy factors in the flavor of the final product. Especially in Japan, where the chemical content of the soil varies greatly because 1) it's a volcanic island (the more active the volcanos are in the area, the richer the soil) and 2) it's a skinny and long island, so temperature varies greatly along the country (i mean come on - 9 ecoregions in one skinny island!).

And because of this variance in growing conditions, certain tea breeds can only be grown (economically) in certain areas.
For example, Shizuoka producers tend to grow Yabukita - a tree that's strong in the winter (Shizuoka is signifacantly north-er than other regions) but weak against certain types of diseases. It's also a great mass producer.
Miyazaki and Kagoshima producers tend to grow Yutakamidori, which benefits from stronger steams because it's naturally astringent (sometimes they're covered for a short period of time to prevent bitterness). They can't stand the cold, and they're quite strong against diseases. They are also considered an 'early budding breed' and are harvested 5 days earlier than most breeds.
Another breed that is often seen in southern farms is the Kanayamidori, which is a late budder and is much sweeter, with "hints of milk" at the nose - but is really picky about the soil (has to have really good drainage because it roots widely).

There are other breeds with different flavor profiles too, but they're all matched to the region based on grow-ability and such. Hence, the 'regional differences' in the final product.

Hope that helps :D

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by Ed » Jul 9th, '09, 18:15

Great info, TEAcipes! Did you learn all this from reading or through direct experience? This is the sort of in-depth technical information that is very hard to find (at least in English).

By the way, our Colorado tomatoes are better than yours in Cali. We deep steam them and make fukamatoes.:P

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by Salsero » Jul 9th, '09, 20:09

Ed wrote:Great info, TEAcipes!
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by TEAcipes » Jul 9th, '09, 20:33

Ed wrote:Great info, TEAcipes! Did you learn all this from reading or through direct experience? This is the sort of in-depth technical information that is very hard to find (at least in English).
a LOT of reading and cupping/experiments (we play with blends a lot at the office). Good thing my parents made me finish Japanese school! :wink:
Ed wrote: By the way, our Colorado tomatoes are better than yours in Cali. We deep steam them and make fukamatoes.:P
hahaha, fukamatoes... :lol:
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by Oni » Jul 10th, '09, 01:28

Gyomatoes are the best.

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