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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by tealeaf » Aug 25th, '09, 03:44

This is a bit funny, actually. The character they're using is "余" (yú), which is the source of the original pun!

The normal phrase is "年年有鱼" (niánnián yǒu yú), which literally means "Every year you will have fish." It's a hope that every year you will have plenty. (年 is nián, which means "year". 年年 means "every year". 有 is yǒu, which means "to have".)

"鱼" (yú) means "fish", but is pronounced the same as "余" (yú), which means "more", "extra" or "surplus". So the original phrase is a pun that means "Every year you will have plenty." For some reason, on this glass, they've used the original character "余" (surplus), rather than "鱼" (fish). I suppose that, with the pictures of the fish, it's a kind of reverse-pun. :)

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by depravitea » Aug 25th, '09, 11:29

That is excellent!
Thanks very much for the character by character explanation. I appreciate the time you took to do that (and I am jealous of your knowledge :) )

I love the glass, and can't wait to use it, but I wasn't looking forward to saying "Uh...Idunno..." when asked what it says, and now I dont have to.

Thanks for the help and 年年有鱼... or 余 :D

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by geeber1 » Aug 25th, '09, 16:11

D, would you give us a little review when you get it? It looks pretty nice!

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by tealeaf » Aug 25th, '09, 16:26

depravitea wrote:That is excellent!
I appreciate the time you took to do that (and I am jealous of your knowledge :) )
I've been studying Mandarin for a few years now, but most of my "study" time is actually spent learning flash cards or chatting to people on MSN or QQ. Luckily enough, 余 is in the (short) list of words that I know. :)

My speaking and listening are terrible, but I'm not too bad at reading and writing, for a 外国人. I'm just so happy when I can actually read a whole phrase that I have to show off. :)

Mine, the silver tree design, also has a four character phrase on it, but I never actually worked out what it meant. It's got something to do with laughing and plums, I think! I'm inspired now, so I'll try and work out the meaning tomorrow. :)

I hope you enjoy the thermos.

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by depravitea » Aug 25th, '09, 18:05

geeber1 wrote:D, would you give us a little review when you get it? It looks pretty nice!
Definitely!
It's being mailed from WA, I'm in ID, so it should be here this week, hopefully before work!!

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by depravitea » Aug 25th, '09, 18:06

tealeaf wrote: Mine, the silver tree design, also has a four character phrase on it, but I never actually worked out what it meant. It's got something to do with laughing and plums, I think! I'm inspired now, so I'll try and work out the meaning tomorrow. :)

I hope you enjoy the thermos.
I'm curious to know what it says as well, if it wasn't for the fish, I would have gone with the tree :)

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by Intuit » Aug 25th, '09, 21:43

I'm buying one of these glass thermos as well. Should be perfect for making cold brewed tea to go as well as making 'glass tea' at work.

Cinnabar (Gongfu Girl tea blog) wrote about her thermos breaking when it thumped about on the car floor behind her seat. I've been thinking about this problem ever since. I think I might have a solution.

Expandable plastic netting is what we want. It's meant to go over piping, but it would be perfecto for this purpose. It would be a snap to slide on and off the thermos!

I have an industrial supplier that I'm contacting to find out if they carry a size that would work for this purpose. If it serves, I'll put the supplier and XiuXian in touch. Cost should be minimal, couple bucks extra if you want the protective sleeve.

I had to resolve this issue of vessel protection that isn't super bulky, expensive or ugly before I would consider purchasing a glass thermos. I had been thinking about thin perforated foam matting, which would also work for our purpose of thermos protection, but would require belt or velcro fasteners. Not a biggie, but the elastic net sleeve is much slicker.

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by Victoria » Aug 25th, '09, 23:43

I have one and I love it. My tip is to put some rubber bands around it. I really helps with the grip. I'm more afraid of dropping mine, than I am bumping it.

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by tealeaf » Aug 26th, '09, 07:53

depravitea wrote: I'm curious to know what it says as well, if it wasn't for the fish, I would have gone with the tree :)
I'm so happy that you asked me to look into this. This will be a kind of mini-essay, so I hope you don't mind. (I had to rely on a Chinese friend to help me work all this out, apart from looking up the characters.)

The characters on my glass are: 梅笑迎春. (méi xiào yíng chūn - "plum blossom, smile/laugh, welcome, spring"). The meaning is "The plum blossom welcomes the spring." This is half a phrase, and half a well-known image used in poetry. I found no English explanation of it via Google, although the characters turn up lots of results in Chinese.

The plum is one of China's "Four Gentlemen", a term for four particularly beloved flowers: plum blossom, orchid, chrysanthemum and bamboo. They're the flowers shown on Chinese mahjong tiles as well, for that reason. The Four Gentlemen are a favourite subject for paintings and poetry, and have specific association and imagery.

The plum is held in high regard because of its scent and because it flowers at the end of winter in the cold; it is a sign that spring is on the way, and is generally associated with the season of spring. "梅笑迎春" therefore invokes the idea that good things are coming, and that beauty can flourish in harsh conditions. "梅", plum blossom, is therefore also a complimentary image to associate with a woman.

My friend linked me to two poems related to plum blossom that are particularly famous. One is by the Southern Song poet Lu You (1125—1210CE), and is called "Ode to the Plum Blossom". The other is by a certain Mao Zedong, and is a response to Lu You's poem, written in 1961:

Lu You (1125—1210CE)Ode to the Plum Blossom

Outside the post-house, beside the broken bridge,
Alone, deserted, a flower blooms.
Saddened by her solitude in the falling dusk,
She is now assailed by wind and rain.
Let other flowers be envious!
She craves not spring for herself alone.
Her petals may be ground in the mud,
But her fragrance will endure.

Mao Zedong (1893—1976)Ode to the Plum Blossom

Wind and rain escorted spring's departure,
Flying snow welcomes spring's return.
On the ice-clad rock rising high and sheer
A flower blooms sweet and fair.
Sweet and fair, she craves not spring for herself alone,
To be the harbinger of spring she is content.
When the mountain flowers are in full bloom
She will smile mingling in their midst.

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I'm very happy to have learnt all this, and thank you again for the inspiration!

/Tealeaf

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Re: Protective Sleeve

by depravitea » Aug 26th, '09, 09:35

Intuit wrote:I'm buying one of these glass thermos as well. Should be perfect for making cold brewed tea to go as well as making 'glass tea' at work.

Cinnabar (Gongfu Girl tea blog) wrote about her thermos breaking when it thumped about on the car floor behind her seat. I've been thinking about this problem ever since. I think I might have a solution.

Expandable plastic netting is what we want. It's meant to go over piping, but it would be perfecto for this purpose. It would be a snap to slide on and off the thermos!

I have an industrial supplier that I'm contacting to find out if they carry a size that would work for this purpose. If it serves, I'll put the supplier and XiuXian in touch. Cost should be minimal, couple bucks extra if you want the protective sleeve.

I had to resolve this issue of vessel protection that isn't super bulky, expensive or ugly before I would consider purchasing a glass thermos. I had been thinking about thin perforated foam matting, which would also work for our purpose of thermos protection, but would require belt or velcro fasteners. Not a biggie, but the elastic net sleeve is much slicker.
That's a really good idea.
I scrounged around my place and found a cloth pouch. It's from the baby sling/wrap my wife has. It's made of pretty thick material and it has a drawstring as well. I let you know how this works.
Can't wait to get mine.
I hope it comes in before I have to go to work!

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by depravitea » Aug 26th, '09, 09:36

Victoria wrote:I have one and I love it. My tip is to put some rubber bands around it. I really helps with the grip. I'm more afraid of dropping mine, than I am bumping it.
Nice! Thanks for the tip. That's an excellent idea. I was worried about it slipping from my hand more than bumping it as well.
Time to find some cool rubber bands.

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by depravitea » Aug 26th, '09, 09:41

tealeaf wrote: I'm very happy to have learnt all this, and thank you again for the inspiration!

/Tealeaf
Thank you for all the excellent information! Funny how a couple of tea thermoses spawned off some really interesting posts. Again, I really appreciate the time you took to look into this, and your excellent posts!
Thanks Tealeaf!

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by Victoria » Aug 26th, '09, 11:56

depravitea wrote:
Victoria wrote:I have one and I love it. My tip is to put some rubber bands around it. I really helps with the grip. I'm more afraid of dropping mine, than I am bumping it.
Nice! Thanks for the tip. That's an excellent idea. I was worried about it slipping from my hand more than bumping it as well.
Time to find some cool rubber bands.
Yeah, I have cool colored ones.
:)

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by Intuit » Aug 26th, '09, 16:49

Your aforementioned glass thermos supplier provided vessel dimensions. I contacted the industrial supplier and had them ship me a sample to examine.

This is what I'm talking about:
http://www.m-line.com/prodlist.asp?SesI ... Protectors

The sleeve supplier agreed it should work very well for this purpose, limited shock absorber that slides on and off without needing fasteners. Comes in a heavier (type 2) wall thickness and in a short roll length that should be about right for the thermos retailer (xiu xian tea, Kent WA) to stock if they so choose. They cut the appropriate length off the roll as they need it, sell it for a couple extra bucks.

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Re: Chinese Tea Thermos

by Intuit » Aug 26th, '09, 22:46

I talked to the owner of the xiu xian tea, Robert this afternoon. The website takes a 'backseat' to his two stores in the metro Seattle area. He has several different glass thermos protectors he stocks in his shops- ask about them. He knows of the protective sleeve manufacturer for other products (netting), but wasn't aware of this heavy duty webbing line.

Seems like good folks - very personable and willing to answer questions. While DTH has a larger version (17 oz) this version at 12 oz is a handier volume for steeping teas - plus it's size lends itself for use with thick, insulated and padded cases with carrying strap that you can find at sports shops, made for the larger wide-mouthed Nalgene water bottles (have blue tops).

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