Birthday Pu

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Re: Birthday Pu

by odarwin » Sep 13th, '09, 22:18

tony shlongini wrote:For the type of long term storage you're looking at, I'd stick with famous recipes from established brands. You don't want to find yourself saying "Who the hell is Mengyang Guoyan?" twenty five years from now- they may be long out of business and a faded memory by then.

It's a pretty sure bet that items such as Menghai's 8582 and 7542 will still be recognized in years to come.
+1

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 13th, '09, 23:12

I was interested in possible getting a tong of Menghai beengs, but I have only used eBay for pu purchases and don't really see that as an option.

Anyone whose bought a tong, how did you go about it??

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Re: Birthday Pu

by wyardley » Sep 14th, '09, 01:00

depravitea wrote:I was interested in possible getting a tong of Menghai beengs, but I have only used eBay for pu purchases and don't really see that as an option.

Anyone whose bought a tong, how did you go about it??
With most vendors (whether ebay or other online vendors), just set the quantity of cakes to 7. If you order multiples of 7, I think they will know you want a tong, though it never hurts to drop them a note about it too. Some will give you a free cake or a quantity discount (YSLLC gives you an 8th cake when you order most of the standard Menghai cakes).

If the vendor doesn't have any discount pricing that comes off automatically, it's always a good idea to email them to see if they'll give you a quantity discount, though.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 14th, '09, 10:04

wyardley wrote:
depravitea wrote:I was interested in possible getting a tong of Menghai beengs, but I have only used eBay for pu purchases and don't really see that as an option.

Anyone whose bought a tong, how did you go about it??
With most vendors (whether ebay or other online vendors), just set the quantity of cakes to 7. If you order multiples of 7, I think they will know you want a tong, though it never hurts to drop them a note about it too. Some will give you a free cake or a quantity discount (YSLLC gives you an 8th cake when you order most of the standard Menghai cakes).

If the vendor doesn't have any discount pricing that comes off automatically, it's always a good idea to email them to see if they'll give you a quantity discount, though.
Perfect. Thanks very much. I really appreciate everyone's help. I know this isn't exactly a new subject/bunch of questions.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by oldmanteapot » Sep 14th, '09, 10:42

Glad to be of help.

When you receive your Meng Hai Dayi order, make sure you check out the security sticker has not been tampered with. I'm sure they will be well intact when you purchase with reputable online vendors.

Cheers!

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 14th, '09, 11:15

oldmanteapot wrote:Glad to be of help.

When you receive your Meng Hai Dayi order, make sure you check out the security sticker has not been tampered with. I'm sure they will be well intact when you purchase with reputable online vendors.

Cheers!
So they still do tong stickers? I read that this was discontinued.
Glad I was misinformed :)

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Re: Birthday Pu

by betta » Sep 14th, '09, 16:06

depravitea wrote:
So they still do tong stickers? I read that this was discontinued.
Glad I was misinformed :)
They still do. You'll find stickers on the wrapping paper of the tong as well as on individual cake wrapping. But I will suggest you to get several different cakes rather than a tong of single cake because it seems that you are still in the progress of finding your taste preference.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by oldmanteapot » Sep 14th, '09, 20:24

betta wrote:
depravitea wrote:
So they still do tong stickers? I read that this was discontinued.
Glad I was misinformed :)
They still do. You'll find stickers on the wrapping paper of the tong as well as on individual cake wrapping. But I will suggest you to get several different cakes rather than a tong of single cake because it seems that you are still in the progress of finding your taste preference.
+1 :D :D :) :)

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 14th, '09, 20:41

betta wrote:
depravitea wrote:
So they still do tong stickers? I read that this was discontinued.
Glad I was misinformed :)
They still do. You'll find stickers on the wrapping paper of the tong as well as on individual cake wrapping. But I will suggest you to get several different cakes rather than a tong of single cake because it seems that you are still in the progress of finding your taste preference.
Yeah, you're right :( lol
I have an issue with patience.
It just seems like all the recent beengs are not manufactured the same as the ones that keep for decades, and they're not of the quality that, you guys, who have been in it for a while, are used to.
I was wanting to jump in before there's nothing worth saving, you know?
I appreciate and agree with what you're saying, I just got interested in tea later in life than I would have liked, and so I missed out on quite a bit. Kind of playing catchup.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by Proinsias » Sep 14th, '09, 21:11

oldmanteapot wrote: Newer Sheng Pu are made drinkable from the very beginning, where as traditional methods of Pu production dictates that Sheng has to be aged before it can be consumed. There's a cloud of uncertainty hovering over the 'ageability' of Pu that is made this way. No one knows how well Sheng of his nature would age. There are no back referencing on this, unless it's made the traditional way... and this is rarely found since 2005 onwards.
Thank you for this oldmanteapot. I've not been drinking sheng for very long, I think 2006 was the first time I had decent young sheng, but it does seem to me that the more I hear about how nice young sheng is the more I see nice young sheng available and talked about. The general idea that I got back then was that sheng needed to be aged for 20 odd years before being enjoyable, now it seems people are approaching the new harvest like shincha and enjoying it just as much.

Do you know what the differences are pre and post 2005 in production methods?

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Re: Birthday Pu

by oldmanteapot » Sep 14th, '09, 21:51

depravitea wrote:I was wanting to jump in before there's nothing worth saving, you know? I appreciate and agree with what you're saying, I just got interested in tea later in life than I would have liked, and so I missed out on quite a bit. Kind of playing catchup.
Hi Depravitea,

I understand how you feel. I had similar sentiments when I returned after taking a couple of years break when my sons were born. Like I mentioned in my earlier reply, there are good Shengs out there. Just that the market is flooded with an oversupply of Sheng. Quality varies too much too. 2007 & 2008 were below average years for Pu. But with the general Pu World being more informed and educated about the quality of tea, criterias of selection and etc, manufacturers have to be more aware and careful in how they make their Pu. Otherwise, it might not be in good demand at all! So, I'm looking ahead beyond 2010. Hopefully we could have more decent Pu floating in the market by then.

I hope I making some sense here... hehe... :mrgreen:

Cheers!

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 15th, '09, 00:14

Proinsias wrote:...sheng needed to be aged for 20 odd years before being enjoyable, now it seems people are approaching the new harvest like shincha and enjoying it just as much.

Do you know what the differences are pre and post 2005 in production methods?

Great observation - and good question.
I have been wondering about that as well.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by depravitea » Sep 15th, '09, 00:27

oldmanteapot wrote: Hi Depravitea,

I understand how you feel. I had similar sentiments when I returned after taking a couple of years break when my sons were born. Like I mentioned in my earlier reply, there are good Shengs out there. Just that the market is flooded with an oversupply of Sheng. Quality varies too much too. 2007 & 2008 were below average years for Pu. But with the general Pu World being more informed and educated about the quality of tea, criterias of selection and etc, manufacturers have to be more aware and careful in how they make their Pu. Otherwise, it might not be in good demand at all! So, I'm looking ahead beyond 2010. Hopefully we could have more decent Pu floating in the market by then.

I hope I making some sense here... hehe... :mrgreen:

Cheers!
Definitely making sense. I appreciate you taking the time to keep answering all these questions. Thanks very much.
Betta suggested that I grab beengs here and there before jumping in and going for a whole tong, and that seems like solid advice as well. (Guess I was being impatient again lol) I'll still save the 2008 beengs I got for my son though.
Hopefully in the coming years, as you said, we will have more decent pu floating into the market.

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Re: Birthday Pu

by oldmanteapot » Sep 15th, '09, 01:28

Your welcome. My pleasure to be of help. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Yeah... +1 for Betta. It's good to try around. There's a vast selection of Pu out there. Unfortunately you guys there don't have the luxury of sampling the Pu on the spot before you buy. Getting online samples is the best bet for you now. But samples are often too little to be able to get a good idea of how the tea would turn out in due time.

We get to sample our tea to our heart's content before buying them. Sometimes, sampling them over a period of a few weeks to see how the tea changes when it's aired and has absorbed some moisture and fresh air. Thus our decision to buy Pu is often more decisive and informed.

When your budget allows you to stretch a little more, it's good to get hold of some pre-2006 Pu, which are still not too expensive. There are several good ones around and are worth considering for aging, though you'll need to age it a long time before you'll get to enjoy it.

Cheers!

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Re: Birthday Pu

by betta » Sep 15th, '09, 13:37

depravitea wrote: I'll still save the 2008 beengs I got for my son though.
Hi Depravitea, I understand your feeling. I used to be the same situation as yours and I must admit that my patience is most likely not better than yours either :wink:
I think that enjoying tea is a matter of personal enjoyment, so just find out what you like the most. I like your cute idea to stock the 2008 cake and will surely encourage you to do that. For aging most people look for cakes from reputable manufacturer, with as less as possible untolerable taste, but hard-to-drink while they are young.
Concerning aging, it is a complex subject because the same cake stored in different geographical location and hence climate, will taste different.
But I think nothing wrong with a little surprise, so go for it.

I agree with OMTP to look for older cakes, providing they're good, because their flavour is already relatively "established". So one will most likely be able to predict more accurately whether the particular cake is worth aging or not.

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