List of potters

[chrl42]

www.yxzst.com started googling service around 05 or something, to settle down level-bubble. But it happens so often.

In China, it's not called 'fraud'..it's just different idea The Chinese know thousand ways to justify as long as it will go "earth is whose?"

'copying' or 'fraud' are melted in a blood of the Chinese, or they would call it, 'confidence of manufactering' If one imitates better than original, then that imitation gets its own quality, and it happens so often. Gu Jingzhou practiced his skills making imitations, and once that fake teapot went to museum because it outdid the original in perfection.

likewise, way of thinking is very different in China. On the other hand, it's the way to overcome their dilemma, low income, and earn a mental winning

[isaac]

Thanks Charles.

So it seems that every potter is 高级工艺美术师 and thus i had been cheated

In a more developed society and I am a Chinese but not from China, that would be called misrepresentation and subjected to the full penalties of the law.

Still, appreciate your reply and thank you. I will need to find a more effective way of collecting teapots.

The irony is that the genuine teapots belong to the junior categories whilst the senior categories are very costly with no guarantee of authenticity. I was told that even in the tea museums in Hong Kong and China, not every item is genuine. The real item is kept under lock and key to prevent theft whilst the excellent imitations were shown to the public. The drawback is that the public will start buying the counterfeits, thinking it is genuine Not a laughing matter for sure but the irony is indeed felt by me.

[gingkoseto]

About the 高级工艺美术师, some of them are titles from Jiang Su province, some of them are national titles, and some of them are frauds. One may hold one title at province level and one title at national level. Some people may get titles from whatever non-official sources. Anybody can establish an organization and give out "Master" titles to artists. It's like the numerous "master's degree" we see nowadays on google ads. Not all of them are of the accreditation that people would expect as in a traditional university, but they are not illegal.

[isaac]

About the 高级工艺美术师, some of them are titles from Jiang Su province, some of them are national titles, and some of them are frauds. One may hold one title at province level and one title at national level. Some people may get titles from whatever non-official sources. Anybody can establish an organization and give out "Master" titles to artists. It's like the numerous "master's degree" we see nowadays on google ads. Not all of them are of the accreditation that people would expect as in a traditional university, but they are not illegal.

Well, i don't think i want to belabour the point because it is not my job to define value systems. I just want to say that those systems lead to misrepresentation and misrepresentation is a crime in developed countries.

People can say they graduated from Harvard University of the Internet. There is no misrepresentation and thus not illegal. However if they omit the words 'of the Internet', produced a Harvard University degree with the corresponding logo and the dean's signature, then that is a crime of misrepresentation. If they choose to argue that this is permitted within their cultural and legal systems, then there is really nothing I can say.

[isaac]

On reflection, some of those potters named in the list provided by Charles do have capabilities that are evident in the quality of their pots. The more experienced collectors can see the quality difference and thus provide insights as to which pot to buy.

One way out of the jungle is to buy from the experienced collectors. Not foolproof but certainly better than a newbie's judgment. Buying from experienced collectors instead of shops is thus one possible solution.

Charles, do let us know if ever you intend to sell your teapots.

[Alex]

When I saw the thread title asking for list of potters I really wanted to come in here and say "Harry Potter"

I feel better now please continue the serious thread.

*gets coat.

[gingkoseto]

About the 高级工艺美术师, some of them are titles from Jiang Su province, some of them are national titles, and some of them are frauds. One may hold one title at province level and one title at national level. Some people may get titles from whatever non-official sources. Anybody can establish an organization and give out "Master" titles to artists. It's like the numerous "master's degree" we see nowadays on google ads. Not all of them are of the accreditation that people would expect as in a traditional university, but they are not illegal.

Well, i don't think i want to belabour the point because it is not my job to define value systems. I just want to say that those systems lead to misrepresentation and misrepresentation is a crime in developed countries.

People can say they graduated from Harvard University of the Internet. There is no misrepresentation and thus not illegal. However if they omit the words 'of the Internet', produced a Harvard University degree with the corresponding logo and the dean's signature, then that is a crime of misrepresentation. If they choose to argue that this is permitted within their cultural and legal systems, then there is really nothing I can say.

Well I guess what I tried to say is, a lot of things are about "them" and "us". When it's "us", then "it depends...", "it's complicate...", "it's deceiving but not illegal...". When it's "them", then "it's outrageous...", "it's a crime..."

[isaac]

I am sorry, i do not mean to sound so angry. I am essentially a newbie to this teapot collection and thus what was theoretical to me earlier about China practices is now practical.

I truly think that Charles and the other experts here can make some money by showing off their teapots which they no longer want and allowing others to buy from them. This will circumvent the need for a steep learning curve, reduces the chances of error to that of the experts' error and makes it more likely you will buy a teapot from a potter that has potential. Of course there will be a premium to make it worth their time.

By the way, i do not regret the teapots i bought. I have one that is absolutely fabulous, one excellent, two above average and one average in relation to the price i paid and the quality as judged by a couple of experienced potters and a survey of the total quantum of teapots in the established teashops. I will continue my collection.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

[isaac]

Charles, 蒋蓉 was only a 高级工艺美术师?