The Melon Yixing Pot discussion

[In search of truth]

Tim,you made the assumption that the seller knew what he was selling.

As an instance,the larhe Punchpot was purchased from a Belgian dealer who had it catalogued as a large 19th century teapot when it is in fact an 18th c Whieldon type punchpot.

I paid 150 euros for that.

Now,are any of you members of Gotheborg.com ?

If so go the the Yixing (Bucarro) section.

There are a number of Teapots by Jiang Rong,one similar to mine but the picture colour looks odd when compared to the seal.

I would like to know what are the aspects of my teapot that make it a fake.

[brandon]

1980's white needle golden lotus

cha chi: weak

[gingkoseto]

Tim,I'm not at liberty to divulge but it was not a great deal.Under £500.

What is your view of the teapot ? Perhaps more pictures tomorrow to help evaluation of its possible genuineness or otherwise ?

100% not a Genuine Article. Sorry

Sorry to butt in on the discussion here, but I'll go ahead and ask the obvious hanging question -- do you make this assessment because of the price range, or because of something in the photos about the pot, or some other factor...?

I think the photo shows the teapot doesn't look authentic. When a teapot looks authentic in a photo, it may not be. But when it doesn't look authentic in a photo, then there is little doubt. I think Tim's question about price was mainly because he didn't hope it cost the buyer a lot of money. In this case, xxx euros is indeed a lot of money...

[TIM]

Tim,you made the assumption that the seller knew what he was selling.

I would like to know what are the aspects of my teapot that make it a fake.

I do think the seller knows who JR is, and knew enough that's a replica to sold it to you. Looking at real master pot, all the details count. How clean the breathing hole is, how proper the stamp under the lid is. The clay purity and most of all, the liveliness of the subject. Which all the above is missing. It's your first yixing, and Hopefuly not your last. Have fun on this journey. Good luck ~ Toki

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... 0QGi4em9CQ

[In search of truth]

Tim,I understand what you are saying but your picture links are to a different style of teapot.

Can you post some images of Watermelon teapot and other green glazed teapots by her.

The finish of mine is very nice indeed.

Can anyone provide images of fake teapots that have her mark to reassure me that mine is indeed fake.

Alternatively,can you point out the weknesses in my piece.

What is your opinion of the clay colour,etc.

Thanks,

Vic.

[TIM]

Tim,I understand what you are saying but your picture links are to a different style of teapot.

Can you post some images of Watermelon teapot and other green glazed teapots by her.

The finish of mine is very nice indeed.

Can anyone provide images of fake teapots that have her mark to reassure me that mine is indeed fake.

Alternatively,can you point out the weknesses in my piece.

What is your opinion of the clay colour,etc.

Thanks,

Vic.

Vic, do you think the link above is a real or fake?

[AdamMY]

I am no yixing expert, but yours appears to be a far cry from the one on this page.
http://www.zishapots.com/wiki/index.php ... Jiang_Rong

That watermelon pots exterior looks near identical to an actual watermelon, and the leaves and extra-bits on the pot appear almost real. I hate to say this but the leaf on yours looks almost sloppily done, its not a bad leaf in the sense of Yixing pottery in general, but compared to how realistic her works appear to be, yours looks like it was -- well, made from clay.

[In search of truth]

Hi Adam,thank you for your response.

On the Gotheborg board there is an almost identical teapot to mine by a collector of many years.The decoration is slightly different and the picture of the teapot is a different colour to the seal that he shows.

The colour of the seal is the same as mine and the flower and vine link to the handle is identical.

I have requested that he reposts new images with the actual colouring.

I'm not allowed to link to the thread unfortunately so this is a really difficult situation.

He has not responded to my request which is of course his right,but it does not help the situation.

I'm not trying to be cussed about the teapot which was confirmed as genuine by Christies from images that I sent.

However I still have nagging doubts myself (not about the quality of the piece) but in the lucky way that I acquired it.

It is a difficult situation but I hope the other owner will eventually respond.

[debunix]

I am no yixing expert, but yours appears to be a far cry from the one on this page.
http://www.zishapots.com/wiki/index.php ... Jiang_Rong

It does look quite different to me too, although yours is also a lovely pot.

[TIM]

Hi Adam,thank you for your response.

On the Gotheborg board there is an almost identical teapot to mine by a collector of many years.The decoration is slightly different and the picture of the teapot is a different colour to the seal that he shows.

The colour of the seal is the same as mine and the flower and vine link to the handle is identical.

I have requested that he reposts new images with the actual colouring.

I'm not allowed to link to the thread unfortunately so this is a really difficult situation.

He has not responded to my request which is of course his right,but it does not help the situation.

I'm not trying to be cussed about the teapot which was confirmed as genuine by Christies from images that I sent.

However I still have nagging doubts myself (not about the quality of the piece) but in the lucky way that I acquired it.

It is a difficult situation but I hope the other owner will eventually respond.

Vic, we teachatters here is to help out each others, specially beginners.
Please dont get too caught up with the pot. The most important thing is you use it often and develop a connection with it. But if that connection is only one-sided... then there are much bigger world out there. It does not matter at the end what I or other said, as long as you like what you have. Cheers ~ Toki

[In search of truth]

To clarify my position a little,the reason I am trying to get as much information from various sources is that I am wondering whether to send it to a Chinese Auction House in Beijing and am awaiting their response.

The peculiar part of Christies reply was that it was too contemporary a piece for them and suggested that I sell it at a local auction house !!

Crazy but nonetheless true.

When I subsequently discovered the prices paid for her teapots in China I was flabergasted.
This is obviously a very important and expensive decision so I do not want to make the wrong call.

[Herb_Master]

I feel deflated now, I thought you were a tea lover.

[TIM]

I feel deflated now, I thought you were a tea lover.

This is sad... I feel high and dry....

[tingjunkie]

I'll give you $100 for it.

[Dingshu]

He'd still be making US$50 on the sale:

http://cgi.ebay.com/330591124821