+1Teaism wrote:Personally for me when I started drinking tea, I find that I developed "conscience" in my approach to tea. It is almost like baking, i.e. strictly following all the establish rules and recipe to the minute detail.
As I progress along, after many many years my conscience, or fix set of rules, began to loosen and my "consciousness" developed. Brewing is based on my consciousness or awareness, like playing Jazz, let the music flow and sync with the rhythm of the tea. That is my humble approach, some may say it is insane while others see it as unconventional wisdom.
Cheers!
+1chrl42 wrote:+1Teaism wrote:Personally for me when I started drinking tea, I find that I developed "conscience" in my approach to tea. It is almost like baking, i.e. strictly following all the establish rules and recipe to the minute detail.
As I progress along, after many many years my conscience, or fix set of rules, began to loosen and my "consciousness" developed. Brewing is based on my consciousness or awareness, like playing Jazz, let the music flow and sync with the rhythm of the tea. That is my humble approach, some may say it is insane while others see it as unconventional wisdom.
Cheers!
Franz Liszt would teach students to play the same tune over and over..
And Chopin would answer, "you can never play the same song, in the same mood"..
+1Teaism wrote:Personally for me when I started drinking tea, I find that I developed "conscience" in my approach to tea. It is almost like baking, i.e. strictly following all the establish rules and recipe to the minute detail.
As I progress along, after many many years my conscience, or fix set of rules, began to loosen and my "consciousness" developed. Brewing is based on my consciousness or awareness, like playing Jazz, let the music flow and sync with the rhythm of the tea. That is my humble approach, some may say it is insane while others see it as unconventional wisdom.
Cheers!
Connecting tea and music! I love this!!!chrl42 wrote:+1Teaism wrote:Personally for me when I started drinking tea, I find that I developed "conscience" in my approach to tea. It is almost like baking, i.e. strictly following all the establish rules and recipe to the minute detail.
As I progress along, after many many years my conscience, or fix set of rules, began to loosen and my "consciousness" developed. Brewing is based on my consciousness or awareness, like playing Jazz, let the music flow and sync with the rhythm of the tea. That is my humble approach, some may say it is insane while others see it as unconventional wisdom.
Cheers!
Franz Liszt would teach students to play the same tune over and over..
And Chopin would answer, "you can never play the same song, in the same mood"..
I love the way you put that tea drinking in art way
Teaism wrote:Personally for me when I started drinking tea, I find that I developed "conscience" in my approach to tea. It is almost like baking, i.e. strictly following all the establish rules and recipe to the minute detail.
As I progress along, after many many years my conscience, or fix set of rules, began to loosen and my "consciousness" developed. Brewing is based on my consciousness or awareness, like playing Jazz, let the music flow and sync with the rhythm of the tea. That is my humble approach, some may say it is insane while others see it as unconventional wisdom.
Cheers!
If you become familiar with the way you count in your head and the way tea tastes it doesnt matter how accurate you are with a stopwatch unless you are brewing delicate teas(ie. japanese greens). If you like the way it tastes, keep on brewing.thirst wrote:How do you guys keep track of time without a timer?
This isn’t about slavishly adhering to a specific number because you read about it or once decided it was a good number in a set of other parameters. Even if you say, because of condition x or y, I’m going to steep this a bit longer than I usually do, how do you keep track of time? I’ve tried counting in my head before and checked with a stopwatch; I’m really bad at it.
I guess it's a cultural difference, or maybe (even) racial difference.thirst wrote:Just mentioned the stopwatch because it’s consistent. I don’t think I’m good at counting consistently in my head, but if one can do that, it’s the same, of course; the particular units don’t matter. That’s probably what you meant? I should try and practice that. (I think I’d get very easily distracted in a situation involving guests.)
The trouble I have with the music comparison is that you have clear cues in music for keeping or straying from rhythm (the preceding notes), so it’s basically counting in your head. For mass, there are visual cues, and there are visual, auditory, and haptic ones for temperature. I’m just wondering how accurate one can get regarding time if one doesn’t use any cues. (Again, this is not about specific numbers, but about reaching a goal after you’ve set it.) Is it that people can be or can become exceptionally good at just »sensing« time? Or is accuracy often just not really needed?
that's just my case.Seriously? You've willing to discount all the amazing Japanese, Korean (etc) along with Danish, French, American (non"African") etc, players playing jazz (and other [sub]genres that use improvisation)? That's a ridiculous statement, in my opinion. Some of the best players out there at the moment are not African-American and many are in fact what you term "Asian". I won't even get into your "race" talk, with "African-Americans". Are the Africans poor improvisers or something? Those in Latin America? Did you perhaps mean culture of a group and therefore sub-cultural focus on a singular aspect of music over another? Even then, hardly an accurate depiction of the African-American community.chrl42 wrote:I guess it's a cultural difference, or maybe (even) racial difference.thirst wrote:Just mentioned the stopwatch because it’s consistent. I don’t think I’m good at counting consistently in my head, but if one can do that, it’s the same, of course; the particular units don’t matter. That’s probably what you meant? I should try and practice that. (I think I’d get very easily distracted in a situation involving guests.)
The trouble I have with the music comparison is that you have clear cues in music for keeping or straying from rhythm (the preceding notes), so it’s basically counting in your head. For mass, there are visual cues, and there are visual, auditory, and haptic ones for temperature. I’m just wondering how accurate one can get regarding time if one doesn’t use any cues. (Again, this is not about specific numbers, but about reaching a goal after you’ve set it.) Is it that people can be or can become exceptionally good at just »sensing« time? Or is accuracy often just not really needed?
Talking about music, asian students are evil good at reading notes, but when it comes to interpretation or expression, they often fail.
Different race especially african americans, can play improvisation, the jazz..yet they are often not as good as asians when reading notes.
Now back to the teachat, in asia, many people don't use a timer or a scale when brewing tea. For me, many other options are awaiting, besides a scale. Like the temperature of room, thickness of a pot, firing temp of teawares, condition of tea leaves, if to count, then they have to be measured along, and the time and temperature should differ according to them. In this case, those scales rather bother
chrl42 wrote:I guess it's a cultural difference, or maybe (even) racial difference.thirst wrote:Just mentioned the stopwatch because it’s consistent. I don’t think I’m good at counting consistently in my head, but if one can do that, it’s the same, of course; the particular units don’t matter. That’s probably what you meant? I should try and practice that. (I think I’d get very easily distracted in a situation involving guests.)
The trouble I have with the music comparison is that you have clear cues in music for keeping or straying from rhythm (the preceding notes), so it’s basically counting in your head. For mass, there are visual cues, and there are visual, auditory, and haptic ones for temperature. I’m just wondering how accurate one can get regarding time if one doesn’t use any cues. (Again, this is not about specific numbers, but about reaching a goal after you’ve set it.) Is it that people can be or can become exceptionally good at just »sensing« time? Or is accuracy often just not really needed?
Talking about music, asian students are evil good at reading notes, but when it comes to interpretation or expression, they often fail.
Different race especially african americans, can play improvisation, the jazz..yet they are often not as good as asians when reading notes.
Now back to the teachat, in asia, many people don't use a timer or a scale when brewing tea. For me, many other options are awaiting, besides a scale. Like the temperature of room, thickness of a pot, firing temp of teawares, condition of tea leaves, if to count, then they have to be measured along, and the time and temperature should differ according to them. In this case, those scales rather bother
Lol no. Some improvisers can't sight read because they can't read music.yalokinh wrote:chrl42 wrote:I guess it's a cultural difference, or maybe (even) racial difference.thirst wrote:Just mentioned the stopwatch because it’s consistent. I don’t think I’m good at counting consistently in my head, but if one can do that, it’s the same, of course; the particular units don’t matter. That’s probably what you meant? I should try and practice that. (I think I’d get very easily distracted in a situation involving guests.)
The trouble I have with the music comparison is that you have clear cues in music for keeping or straying from rhythm (the preceding notes), so it’s basically counting in your head. For mass, there are visual cues, and there are visual, auditory, and haptic ones for temperature. I’m just wondering how accurate one can get regarding time if one doesn’t use any cues. (Again, this is not about specific numbers, but about reaching a goal after you’ve set it.) Is it that people can be or can become exceptionally good at just »sensing« time? Or is accuracy often just not really needed?
Talking about music, asian students are evil good at reading notes, but when it comes to interpretation or expression, they often fail.
Different race especially african americans, can play improvisation, the jazz..yet they are often not as good as asians when reading notes.
Now back to the teachat, in asia, many people don't use a timer or a scale when brewing tea. For me, many other options are awaiting, besides a scale. Like the temperature of room, thickness of a pot, firing temp of teawares, condition of tea leaves, if to count, then they have to be measured along, and the time and temperature should differ according to them. In this case, those scales rather bother
Whoa whoa whoa, hey that's a bit short sighted and slightly racy. Any race can play any form of music from my personal experiences as a professional musician. A great improviser is by default an incredible sight reader.
+1000.daidokorocha wrote: Seriously? You've willing to discount all the amazing Japanese, Korean (etc) along with Danish, French, American (non"African") etc, players playing jazz (and other [sub]genres that use improvisation)? That's a ridiculous statement, in my opinion. Some of the best players out there at the moment are not African-American and many are in fact what you term "Asian". I won't even get into your "race" talk, with "African-Americans". Are the Africans poor improvisers or something? Those in Latin America? Did you perhaps mean culture of a group and therefore sub-cultural focus on a singular aspect of music over another? Even then, hardly an accurate depiction of the African-American community.
