Yixing vs Jianshui and Nixing teapots

[wert]

How about other hard to find books? If the rules are OK with copyright laws, please do share those as well. I would make a list of books I want.

Out of print books usually fall into the 'Public Domain' category. There shouldn't be any problem re-producing or copying into a file.

Usually it falls into Public Domain 99 years after the death of the author. BUT not always. Even if the book itself is public domain, the images in the book could be still copyright.

[Tead Off]

I doubt it, but should be easy to find out if you put some effort into it.

[theredbaron]

How about other hard to find books? If the rules are OK with copyright laws, please do share those as well. I would make a list of books I want.

Out of print books usually fall into the 'Public Domain' category. There shouldn't be any problem re-producing or copying into a file.

That is definitely not the case.

As an author of several books, one of them out of print, i can assure you that i still fully own the copyright of all my material. I have not yet had to sue anyone, but i regularly have had to demand payments when my material has been used without my permission in commercial outlets, and i have gotten these payments as well. In some cases i could have sued, but decided not so, as the cost involved, years of legal trouble and headaches would have been justified by the gain.

Out of print means only that a publisher does not (yet) want to invest into a reprint, or that publishers went bust, and full copyright returned to the author who may have difficulties finding a new publisher. Every publishing deal involves one or the other form of shared copyright - for a period of time, particular regions, translations, etc. The term "out of print" does not put a book into the public domain.

But - most authors will be glad when their out of print books/articles will be shared privately or for non-commercial purposes, and will gladly grant permission. This does work for the author, especially in niche subjects, as it generates renewed interest, possibly leading to a republication. An author fears nothing more than his work being forgotten (unless it's a book that he wants to be forgotten).

A somewhat similar case as discussed here, for example, was, many years ago, when someone, who loved my book that is out of print, meticulously scanned it and made it available for free on his small website. While technically he was in violation of my copyright, i felt rather flattered when i discovered it, and just let it continue.

In terms of a poster here who scanned an out of print book, and would make these scans privately available for studying purposes by fellow tea lovers may not even be in violation of the author's copyright. In such a case - every school and university in the world would violate copyright countless times every day. But that's a question only a lawyer specialized in copyright laws could answer.


Generally, the easiest is to ask for permission from the author. I often get such requests, and if the usage is for non-commercial or academic purposes, i generally give permission gladly.

[wert]

In such a case - every school and university in the world would violate copyright countless times every day. But that's a question only a lawyer specialized in copyright laws could answer.

Generally, the easiest is to ask for permission from the author. I often get such requests, and if the usage is for non-commercial or academic purposes, i generally give permission gladly.

That would fall under fair use. You can take a diagram, a passage or even a whole chapter as such. However, certainly not the whole book, cover to cover. Images might also be problematic because they might have separate copyright holders.

[theredbaron]

In such a case - every school and university in the world would violate copyright countless times every day. But that's a question only a lawyer specialized in copyright laws could answer.

Generally, the easiest is to ask for permission from the author. I often get such requests, and if the usage is for non-commercial or academic purposes, i generally give permission gladly.

That would fall under fair use. You can take a diagram, a passage or even a whole chapter as such. However, certainly not the whole book, cover to cover. Images might also be problematic because they might have separate copyright holders.

Copyright law is the most insanely complicated law there is.

While you quite possibly are right, most students (and i definitely) have broken copyright laws countless times by copying entire books that were either unavailable (that especially counts for countries such as Thailand where some books are banned or not made available) or incredibly expensive (some academic publishers whose only market are libraries price their books at the several hundred dollar range - in some cases i have even gotten photocopies from the authors themselves, where, technically, the authors have broken their own copyright agreements with their publishers ). Just the other day a poor student borrowed a book from me where i am a co-author, and copied it in a nearby university.

In doubt, asking the author for permission is the easiest thing.

There were some cases, for example, where i have answered on requests that i will not be able to grant them permission, but that i will make sure to look the other way and to completely ignore their violation of my copyright.

In this case here, i would either not make a fuzz about it and just mail the PDF to interested parties, or to make it very safe, and to try to find the author, contact him, and ask for permission. A friendly worded request often gets a positive result.

[wert]

In such a case - every school and university in the world would violate copyright countless times every day. But that's a question only a lawyer specialized in copyright laws could answer.

Generally, the easiest is to ask for permission from the author. I often get such requests, and if the usage is for non-commercial or academic purposes, i generally give permission gladly.

That would fall under fair use. You can take a diagram, a passage or even a whole chapter as such. However, certainly not the whole book, cover to cover. Images might also be problematic because they might have separate copyright holders.

Copyright law is the most insanely complicated law there is.

While you quite possibly are right, most students (and i definitely) have broken copyright laws countless times by copying entire books that were either unavailable (that especially counts for countries such as Thailand where some books are banned or not made available) or incredibly expensive (some academic publishers whose only market are libraries price their books at the several hundred dollar range - in some cases i have even gotten photocopies from the authors themselves, where, technically, the authors have broken their own copyright agreements with their publishers ). Just the other day a poor student borrowed a book from me where i am a co-author, and copied it in a nearby university.

In doubt, asking the author for permission is the easiest thing.

There were some cases, for example, where i have answered on requests that i will not be able to grant them permission, but that i will make sure to look the other way and to completely ignore their violation of my copyright.

In this case here, i would either not make a fuzz about it and just mail the PDF to interested parties, or to make it very safe, and to try to find the author, contact him, and ask for permission. A friendly worded request often gets a positive result.

I have to yield to your experience and superior knowledge in this matter. Then, I guess it would be totally OK to share some hard to find books digitally
.
I would then humbly put down my own requests.

砂壶集 潘春芳
紫砂陶 季野
宜陶之旅 李佑任 季野
古今名壶集 叶连梅英

*so sorry for going 360 degrees off topic* should start a new thread about "sharing" books.

[theredbaron]

I have to yield to your experience and superior knowledge in this matter. Then, I guess it would be totally OK to share some hard to find books digitally
.
I would then humbly put down my own requests.

砂壶集 潘春芳
紫砂陶 季野
宜陶之旅 李佑任 季野
古今名壶集 叶连梅英

*so sorry for going 360 degrees off topic* should start a new thread about "sharing" books.

Legally, in the strictest sense, it wouldn't be totally OK, i guess. But then there are practicalities as well.

But in case a book is rare, out of print, no author to be found, no publisher to contact either - then who would file a legal case when books are simply shared without any financial gain between a few people?
It's not like that somebody would start a website in which PDF's of these books can be bought for money, and/or that these books could be downloaded from a website/server.

And on a moral angle - this would be maybe the most victimless crime there is: the sharing of knowledge that could simply not be obtained anymore for any reasonable amount of money, but only antiquarian and therefore very expensive, where neither author nor publisher makes any profit from the added value. The only person that may be undercut there maybe the book seller who stocks a copy or two of that rare book, and he has no copyright at all over the books he sells anyhow.

It's not about mass distribution and financial gain, just the sharing of otherwise unobtainable knowledge.

The simple answer here is, if one is worried about the legal situation, try to contact the author and ask him/her for permission. Asking is not a crime.

[miig]

So, maybe I can ask another question about thes other pots?

For example, Chawangshop has some Nixing pots which look very well crafted and are priced accordingly (100-200$). And he sells them, too I doubt many people would get such a pot for cheap Shu, so there must be something special to them?