2016 Shincha discusions

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by entropyembrace » May 25th, '16, 20:15

Griff wrote:
entropyembrace wrote:I went with Yutaka Midori and Sae Midori both from O-cha for my shincha this year. :)

I've only opened the YM and I'm really enjoying it. It has a deep umami and sweetness that's really satisfying :mrgreen:
Have you settled upon any brewing parameters for your Yutaka Midori? I have a bag of YM waiting in the wings, and I'm curious to know how everyone is brewing it :mrgreen:
I've been brewing by feel so there's not really any parameters to share. I pre-warm the pot, scoop in leaves until it looks like the right amount in the bottom of the pot, heat the water until the temperature feels right by hand on the side of the kettle. Even the timing I go by what feels right.

I used to measure almost everything when brewing tea, but I haven't felt the need to do that for a while.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Griff » May 25th, '16, 21:20

Opened O-Cha's Kirameki the other day. Pretty good year for it- better than last year. :mrgreen:
entropyembrace wrote:I've been brewing by feel so there's not really any parameters to share. I pre-warm the pot, scoop in leaves until it looks like the right amount in the bottom of the pot, heat the water until the temperature feels right by hand on the side of the kettle. Even the timing I go by what feels right.

I used to measure almost everything when brewing tea, but I haven't felt the need to do that for a while.
I used to be a touch and feel brewer, so I completely understand. :) I found that just using my senses to gauge the brewing parameters lead me to feel a closer connection with the tea.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Teaarch » May 26th, '16, 00:08

Opened my last shincha today. Yume-Wakaba cultivar from Mizuno, Sayama City, Saitama Prefecture by way of Thesdujapon. Strangest tea I've had in quite some time. The fragrance was almost nonexistent when I opened it, so I was slightly worried at first that I had a dud -- as it turns out, it does have a nice fragrance, but it's very light, especially when compared to the more in-your-face sofu or koshun I had. The look was also alarming; it's supposed to be a light steamed tea but it was more flaky than the fukamushi saemidori I had, so I was a bit puzzled.

The taste was biggest surprise though, but this time in a good way. The taste had a bit of a floral sweetness to it, but mostly it was fruit like with a bit of vegetal rawness at the end that I've found is typical of some shinchas, though no astringency. The aftertaste was also very pleasant. It's hard to describe, as I've never had a tea like this before, but I really enjoyed it. A very good tea overall, and especially so if you want something different.

Also, I probably could've had 5 brews from this but I only did 4, so it has some staying power as well.

Brews were all at 176f/80c. Times were 60, 25, 3:10, 7:00. Probably could've gone with higher temps on the last two brews and shortened the times, but I find I like to stick with one temp to see how it does the first time I brew it.




Griff wrote:Opened O-Cha's Kirameki the other day. Pretty good year for it- better than last year. :mrgreen:
This is good to hear. I had it last year and was a bit indifferent to it -- and even more so to the san no ma, which was one of the biggest disappointments I had last year. Shame too, because from what I've read here it had quite a good reputation in the years past. I'd be interested to hear more about this year's, if you care to elaborate on it (e.g., parameters, any other comments, etc..).

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Griff » May 26th, '16, 13:21

Teaarch wrote:
Griff wrote:Opened O-Cha's Kirameki the other day. Pretty good year for it- better than last year. :mrgreen:
This is good to hear. I had it last year and was a bit indifferent to it -- and even more so to the san no ma, which was one of the biggest disappointments I had last year. Shame too, because from what I've read here it had quite a good reputation in the years past. I'd be interested to hear more about this year's, if you care to elaborate on it (e.g., parameters, any other comments, etc..).
Kirameki has evolved into a shincha tradition for me. I've had it every year since 2008, and only purchase it as shincha. I've found the last few years to be alright, but not amazing. In my mind, Kirameki is supposed to be the embodiment of high quality elegance.

2016 seems to be more like several years ago. The gracefulness is back; it's smooth, sweet, and little grassy.

The parameters I'm currently using are 1g per 1oz, 72C/162F, 1:20, but this is only a starting point. I enjoyed the brew this created, but I think the flavour could be more lively. I will be doing more experimentation before settling on my parameters.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Teaarch » Jun 10th, '16, 20:40

Tried the Kirameki from o-cha. I was surprised because it tastes exactly how I remember it did, except some (but not all) of the astringency is gone that last years had. However, it's still just as light as I remember. O-cha labeled this one as kind of difficult to brew, and it definitely took me a while to dial this one in. After a few experiments and a lot of light tasting brews, I've settled on 176f, 1/2 cup, 5.4g, times at 62, 30, 4:00 (this one at 192f).

However, it's still relatively weak compared to some of the asamushi chas I've had. Maybe it's not fair to compare it to such, but after drinking a lot of the high mountain teas from Shizuoka with rich flavors and even more powerful aftertastes, this one fell a bit short. It wouldn't be that big of a problem for me, but I've found I can barely get three brews out of it, and the third one is mostly astringent, even without increasing the temp.

With that said, I still really like the taste, and aroma, of this tea. It's something sweet, slightly fruity, with a bit of honey, and just a tad bit astringent. Griff mentioned elegance in his post, and I think that's a good way to describe this tea. That and classy. However, I wish it was more lively.

I see in an earlier post of mine that I said I was disappointed in the san no ma; however, before I received the Kirameki, I had another go at the san no ma and got it to where the taste was much better. I mentioned it here because it was almost the exact opposite of this tea. The leaf, and even when brewed, doesn't have as nearly as rich of an aroma as the Kirameki, and the taste is quite subtle, however, the aftertaste is quite strong and lasting. The Kirameki is more upfront; beautiful aroma, and the taste, though I also said it was subtle, is quite a bit bolder than the san no ma was, though it didn't have the length of the aftertaste that the san no ma did. I know o-cha says it's not the same blend, but I'll be interested to taste this years san no ma again for comparison.


I also had the oku-midori from o-cha. Shame to say, I really don't have much good to say about this one. It tastes, and smells, almost exactly like the cheap tea I used to find in tea bags that claimed they had sencha; sort of tastes like smoked or roasted grass. It did say reduced price, so maybe this years isn't as good as previous ones, or maybe it's just not my cup of tea.

EDIT:

Tried one more adjustment to the Kirameki; basically just added a bit more leaf, which I was seriously doubting I could do without bringing out any defects but the tea has handled it wonderfully. I could probably push it even further, but I'm happy now with the results. I had today what was probably my favorite brew out of all the shincha I had, so while I may have sounded a bit harsh about the Kirameki above, it has still impressed me and I find myself loving it more and more. The third brew is still kinda of disappointing, but the first two are heavenly.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Tead Off » Jun 16th, '16, 02:42

Teaarch wrote:I've refined my parameters for the saemidori and sofu. For the saemidori, about 1.2 : 1 leaf to water ratio, brew times all at 170f, 55 sec 1st, 25 2nd, 3:10 for third. Using too much leaf with this gives too much of a vegetal taste without the sweetness, but it's still rather hard to get the balance right. Overall, a pretty good fuka, though I think the saemidori shincha I had from o-cha last year was better (I don't drink a lot of fukamushi-cha, so perhaps I'm not the best judge on this).

For the sofu, I've settled on a 1.3 : 1 leaf/water ratio. I brew at 150f for all (increasing the temp only seems to let out more astringency). 1st brew for 105 seconds, 2nd for 42 seconds, 3rd at 3 minutes 50 seconds, 4th at 7 minutes. A very lovely tea all around, though expensive -- as all Thes's teas are.

I've also tried the koshun cultivar from mariko by way of Thesdujapon. I'm not sure which tea I loved more, this or the sofu. This is also the second time I've had this cultivar, and it may be even better than the previous one (that one from the Tenryu ward), which is a pleasant surprise since, as I mentioned in my first post, the first shincha I had from mariko disappointed (the kondo-wase). I'd describe the taste as a bit sweet, but not too much, floral, and over all of it there's a spice-like taste that one might call astringent, though this is pleasant and adds to the taste. The spicy notes disappear in the aftertaste, which is lasting but not too powerful. For the 3rd brew, the astringency comes out rather strongly, but all but disappeared for the 4th brew.

For the parameters for the koshun, I went 1.25 : 1 leaf/water ratio, and brewed a bit higher at 171 f. 1st brew at 60 seconds, 2nd at 25 seconds (2nd might have been even better than the 1st brew, oddly enough), 3rd at 2 minutes and 50 seconds, 4th at 6 minutes and 20 seconds.

I'd definitely recommend the koshun from mariko and sofu from Honyama. Very good futsumushi-cha.
Just curious, how large are the pots you are brewing these in?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Teaarch » Jun 20th, '16, 19:44

Tead Off wrote: Just curious, how large are the pots you are brewing these in?
Sorry for the delayed response. For the saemidori, I was using a clay kyusu for fuka that holds about 160 ml, but then I switched to my larger ceramic one that holds about 200ml and I continue to use this one for pretty much all my brewing (mainly asamushi).

What I have been thinking about is getting a nice shiboridashi to brew all my light steamed teas in. I wouldn't say I use a lot of leaf, but even so, when I brew in these vessels I can't help but notice how stacked the leaves are, and I'm wondering whether or not a shallower but wider surface area would allow the leaves to open up better thereby creating more consistent brews. (I'd obviously have to start doing smaller brews, considering most I've seen can't hold nearly as much water.) Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by Tead Off » Jun 21st, '16, 06:35

Teaarch wrote:
Tead Off wrote: Just curious, how large are the pots you are brewing these in?
Sorry for the delayed response. For the saemidori, I was using a clay kyusu for fuka that holds about 160 ml, but then I switched to my larger ceramic one that holds about 200ml and I continue to use this one for pretty much all my brewing (mainly asamushi).

What I have been thinking about is getting a nice shiboridashi to brew all my light steamed teas in. I wouldn't say I use a lot of leaf, but even so, when I brew in these vessels I can't help but notice how stacked the leaves are, and I'm wondering whether or not a shallower but wider surface area would allow the leaves to open up better thereby creating more consistent brews. (I'd obviously have to start doing smaller brews, considering most I've seen can't hold nearly as much water.) Any advice would be appreciated.
Personally, I make small batches of sencha and gyokuro because I drink alone most of the time. My wife is not really a fan of Japanese green teas. So, I use mainly a 75ml Banko kyusua and a 60ml shiboridashi. I also find the taste of sencha and gyokuro are benefiitted from small pot brewing. In fact, most of the brewing recommendations at Thes du Japon call for small vessel brewing. I think you would find the taste different than the way you are brewing your teas currently.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by TORamarn » Jun 21st, '16, 09:31

Teaarch wrote:
Tead Off wrote: Just curious, how large are the pots you are brewing these in?
What I have been thinking about is getting a nice shiboridashi to brew all my light steamed teas in. I wouldn't say I use a lot of leaf, but even so, when I brew in these vessels I can't help but notice how stacked the leaves are, and I'm wondering whether or not a shallower but wider surface area would allow the leaves to open up better thereby creating more consistent brews. (I'd obviously have to start doing smaller brews, considering most I've seen can't hold nearly as much water.) Any advice would be appreciated.
Benefits of wider surface pots:
- More even extraction for all the leaves in the pot.
- More water & leaves contact makes better extraction.
- Less rubbing between leaves when pouring and refilling the water.
- Less water absorbed in spent leaves after pouring. That means the next brewing will be cleaner and less bitter/astringent. You can verify this easily by comparing tea soup's weight when using same amount of water & leaves in 2 different style pots.
- Better heat control by opening/closing the lid.
- Easier observation of the leaves when you brew by seeing how much the leaves open.

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by davidglass » Jun 21st, '16, 09:55

Has anyone ordered Shincha Sencha from Maiko? It is on sale- 40% off. Any comments?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by victoria3 » Jun 21st, '16, 15:09

I posted about it a few times, it is light bodied asamushi sencha and good value for the price although it tappers off.
"The 1st brew is a stellar trip to the seaside through the woods & is the richest brew. Each subsequent brew is thinner and slightly bitter even when reducing temp/time. A well priced Sincha that is very elegant, but also tappers off quickly. 1st: 8.1/7/145/1:40"
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... ha#p245316
davidglass wrote:Has anyone ordered Shincha Sencha from Maiko? It is on sale- 40% off. Any comments?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by davidglass » Jun 21st, '16, 22:05

victoria3 wrote:I posted about it a few times, it is light bodied asamushi sencha and good value for the price although it tappers off.
"The 1st brew is a stellar trip to the seaside through the woods & is the richest brew. Each subsequent brew is thinner and slightly bitter even when reducing temp/time. A well priced Sincha that is very elegant, but also tappers off quickly. 1st: 8.1/7/145/1:40"
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... ha#p245316
davidglass wrote:Has anyone ordered Shincha Sencha from Maiko? It is on sale- 40% off. Any comments?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by davidglass » Jun 21st, '16, 22:06

victoria3 wrote:I posted about it a few times, it is light bodied asamushi sencha and good value for the price although it tappers off.
"The 1st brew is a stellar trip to the seaside through the woods & is the richest brew. Each subsequent brew is thinner and slightly bitter even when reducing temp/time. A well priced Sincha that is very elegant, but also tappers off quickly. 1st: 8.1/7/145/1:40"
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... ha#p245316
davidglass wrote:Has anyone ordered Shincha Sencha from Maiko? It is on sale- 40% off. Any comments?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by davidglass » Jun 22nd, '16, 10:21

Have you tasted the 2016 Shincha from Maiko?

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Re: 2016 Shincha discusions

by victoria3 » Jun 22nd, '16, 13:36

I have 2013 sincha sencha that was in the refrigerator all this time in a Loksak Opsak ziplock to lock in freshness and keep out odors. My tasting notes are from 2013 & 2016 two separate bags. Maiko gives nice discounts and shouldn't indicate subpar tea.
davidglass wrote:Have you tasted the 2016 Shincha from Maiko?

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