Apr 28th, '17, 03:27
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by Bok » Apr 28th, '17, 03:27
williammimi70 wrote:
My main knowledge is with antique porcelain but as far as yixing is concerned I still can't tell one type of clay to another : zhuni , da hong pao etc and then of course most importantly fake yixing clay and mixed yixing clay
I guess, once you learn how to tell if a thing is old, it is transferrable knowledge (to a limit).

Apr 28th, '17, 03:40
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by williammimi70 » Apr 28th, '17, 03:40
Bok wrote:
williammimi70 wrote:
My main knowledge is with antique porcelain but as far as yixing is concerned I still can't tell one type of clay to another : zhuni , da hong pao etc and then of course most importantly fake yixing clay and mixed yixing clay
I guess, once you learn how to tell if a thing is old, it is transferrable knowledge (to a limit).
I think you are right with" to a limit",the number of fake yixing teapots I have is quite embarrassing

Apr 28th, '17, 04:43
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by Tead Off » Apr 28th, '17, 04:43
Bok wrote:
williammimi70 wrote:
My main knowledge is with antique porcelain but as far as yixing is concerned I still can't tell one type of clay to another : zhuni , da hong pao etc and then of course most importantly fake yixing clay and mixed yixing clay
I guess, once you learn how to tell if a thing is old, it is transferrable knowledge (to a limit).
I've been in the 'old' business for 40 years. The difficulty lies in the refinements of the 'fake' makers. They are constantly finding ways to keep you off balance so if you turn your back for a while, you will not stay abreast of the new wrinkles they introduce. It's a fun hobby to engage in, but when you are making your living at it, it can be a nightmare. No one wants to discover that what they have is not genuinely old. Plus, the rationalizations that get built up for why something is old don't always hold up. You can ask any museum curator about this.
Apr 28th, '17, 05:00
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by Bok » Apr 28th, '17, 05:00
Tead Off wrote:
I've been in the 'old' business for 40 years. The difficulty lies in the refinements of the 'fake' makers. They are constantly finding ways to keep you off balance so if you turn your back for a while, you will not stay abreast of the new wrinkles they introduce. It's a fun hobby to engage in, but when you are making your living at it, it can be a nightmare. No one wants to discover that what they have is not genuinely old. Plus, the rationalizations that get built up for why something is old don't always hold up. You can ask any museum curator about this.
For sure… that is why I stay completely out of the old teapot business. Rather spend my money on better tea
A chipped cup here and there for a reasonable price is the most I venture into. Western old stuff I have enough from my ancestors
For me I also only get an old thing if I intend to use it. I have no scruples to use 100 year old ceramics, no point to let them collect dust on a shelf.
Apr 28th, '17, 06:48
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by williammimi70 » Apr 28th, '17, 06:48
Tead Off wrote:
Bok wrote:
williammimi70 wrote:
My main knowledge is with antique porcelain but as far as yixing is concerned I still can't tell one type of clay to another : zhuni , da hong pao etc and then of course most importantly fake yixing clay and mixed yixing clay
I guess, once you learn how to tell if a thing is old, it is transferrable knowledge (to a limit).
I've been in the 'old' business for 40 years. The difficulty lies in the refinements of the 'fake' makers. They are constantly finding ways to keep you off balance so if you turn your back for a while, you will not stay abreast of the new wrinkles they introduce. It's a fun hobby to engage in, but when you are making your living at it, it can be a nightmare. No one wants to discover that what they have is not genuinely old. Plus, the rationalizations that get built up for why something is old don't always hold up. You can ask any museum curator about this.
I am lucky in a sense because I collect as a hobby, I am what you may call a pathological hoarder I guess
Apr 28th, '17, 06:49
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by williammimi70 » Apr 28th, '17, 06:49
Bok wrote:
Tead Off wrote:
I've been in the 'old' business for 40 years. The difficulty lies in the refinements of the 'fake' makers. They are constantly finding ways to keep you off balance so if you turn your back for a while, you will not stay abreast of the new wrinkles they introduce. It's a fun hobby to engage in, but when you are making your living at it, it can be a nightmare. No one wants to discover that what they have is not genuinely old. Plus, the rationalizations that get built up for why something is old don't always hold up. You can ask any museum curator about this.
For sure… that is why I stay completely out of the old teapot business. Rather spend my money on better tea
A chipped cup here and there for a reasonable price is the most I venture into. Western old stuff I have enough from my ancestors
For me I also only get an old thing if I intend to use it. I have no scruples to use 100 year old ceramics, no point to let them collect dust on a shelf.
Very good attitude
Apr 28th, '17, 13:34
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by victoria3 » Apr 28th, '17, 13:34
Wow this one has awesome sculptural presence. The spout is so strong.
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by williammimi70 » Apr 28th, '17, 16:04
victoria3 wrote:
Wow this one has awesome sculptural presence. The spout is so strong.
I am glad you like it

Apr 29th, '17, 01:34
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by williammimi70 » Apr 29th, '17, 01:34
I think this one is old
Hand made not very beautiful but old,could it be Republic period or is it CR?
What do you think?
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Apr 29th, '17, 13:54
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by chrl42 » Apr 29th, '17, 13:54
williammimi70 wrote:
I think this one is old
Hand made not very beautiful but old,could it be Republic period or is it CR?
What do you think?
Qiao-ying seal Zhu Gu (bamboo drum) teapot..size probably about 500cc (it's not hand-made!)
they'd made this kind of teapot from CR up to early-80s
Apr 29th, '17, 15:53
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by williammimi70 » Apr 29th, '17, 15:53
chrl42 wrote:
williammimi70 wrote:
I think this one is old
Hand made not very beautiful but old,could it be Republic period or is it CR?
What do you think?
Qiao-ying seal Zhu Gu (bamboo drum) teapot..size probably about 500cc (it's not hand-made!)
they'd made this kind of teapot from CR up to early-80s
Thank you Chrl42. Your advice is much appreciated
Apr 29th, '17, 16:25
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by williammimi70 » Apr 29th, '17, 16:25
chrl42 wrote:
First teapot is lovely, could be late-Qing/ROC (if lucky)..a rare one.
Last one is quite special, only reduction firing could get that color I think...
Dear Chri42
Here are the close up shots of first pot,what do you think?
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Apr 30th, '17, 07:12
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by williammimi70 » Apr 30th, '17, 07:12
Another teapot
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May 1st, '17, 11:56
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by .m. » May 1st, '17, 11:56
When i see all those amazing teapots you keep posting, a part of me feels sad that they are not being used for making great tea, as if their potential is not being fulfilled, but then i realize that this is how they get preserved for the future, which is equally awesome. Thanks for sharing.
May 1st, '17, 14:41
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by williammimi70 » May 1st, '17, 14:41
.m. wrote:
When i see all those amazing teapots you keep posting, a part of me feels sad that they are not being used for making great tea, as if their potential is not being fulfilled, but then i realize that this is how they get preserved for the future, which is equally awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for your kind words