what's with all the inhuman Yixing teapot size? need a 600mL

[chrl42]

I've found also some large pots from deeho, but it seems to be more artistic.
Has anyone experience to buy from them or can anyone give a comment on the possibility of obtaining master grade pots at their price?

Betta, I've seen that website and frankly I only know of Zhu Dan among them.

Zhu Dan, a no.1 student of Jiang Rong, is the most celebrated young crafter to come these days. Owning one of her pots can be a very good deal of one's yixing experience and her pots are more likely to price up in upcoming future.

If they could offer Chinese name of other crafters, I sure can navigate their originality as well..

I don't think they sell the wrong pots, there is a picture Zhu Dan is holding a authorization of their website.

For the price, I did some searching and take a look.
http://www.deeho.com/details.php?page=c ... de=ytp1012

http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 7093.jhtml

Just be aware that currency is 10 yuan = 1.5 USD.

[betta]

I don't think they sell the wrong pots, there is a picture Zhu Dan is holding a authorization of their website.

For the price, I did some searching and take a look.
http://www.deeho.com/details.php?page=c ... de=ytp1012

http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 7093.jhtml

Just be aware that currency is 10 yuan = 1.5 USD.

Man... thanks chrl42 You're great!
Master grade pots are indeed very artistic but also expensive.

[chrl42]

I don't think they sell the wrong pots, there is a picture Zhu Dan is holding a authorization of their website.

For the price, I did some searching and take a look.
http://www.deeho.com/details.php?page=c ... de=ytp1012

http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 7093.jhtml

Just be aware that currency is 10 yuan = 1.5 USD.

Man... thanks chrl42 You're great!
Master grade pots are indeed very artistic but also expensive.

Hehe, seems like I made a mistake at choosing a pot
http://www.deeho.com/details.php?page=c ... de=ytp1028

Anytime, betta.

[chrl42]

I don't think they sell the wrong pots, there is a picture Zhu Dan is holding a authorization of their website.

For the price, I did some searching and take a look.
http://www.deeho.com/details.php?page=c ... de=ytp1012

http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/item ... 7093.jhtml

Just be aware that currency is 10 yuan = 1.5 USD.

Man... thanks chrl42 You're great!
Master grade pots are indeed very artistic but also expensive.

I am bored..so let me talk more about this and your deep consideration unto yixing

There are about 500 certificated yixing crafters in China, each one has their level and level goes,

Arts and crafts grand master - about 10
High arts and crafts master - about 30
Arts and crafts master - about 100
Assistant arts and crafts master - about 200

Above is master grade people and there are more certificated one with no master grade. And there are students of master's studio and independent crafters.

As for the price, Grand master's one can go over 10000 USD and High arts and crafts master one's can be over 1000 bucks.

Just master grade works can vary often depending on one's reputation.
And none master grade people's pots are usually less than 200.

What I said was just my opinion cos price is hard to draw the line of its certainty. But they sure affect the price more than quality of clay or pattern of a pot.
I just typed them cos I had nothing else to do..

[hop_goblin]

I think you will find that most of the denizens of TeaChat use from 75 ml to a max of about 150 ml, with 100 to 120 being the preferred size. They are typically using them for what is called gong fu brewing of oolong and puerh teas, a brewing style which uses a large ratio of leaf to water, short infusions, small cups, and doing many infusions. It's not the most efficient tea delivery system, but it is fun and for some teas (most notably puerh and aged oolongs) it probably yields the happiest result. In any event, it's fun! But it's not the only way to roll.

Sal, you heat the nail right on the head! Could you image how much tea you would need to "gongfu" a 600ml pot. We are talking kilos!

[betta]

I just typed them cos I had nothing else to do..

For me, it's a new information. So at least we shouldn't expect to get a master grade pots below 200 bucks. Thanks

[hop_goblin]

I just typed them cos I had nothing else to do..

For me, it's a new information. So at least we shouldn't expect to get a master grade pots below 200 bucks. Thanks

You shouldn't expect to get a Master pot for anything less than a few thousand!

[britt]

I just typed them cos I had nothing else to do..

For me, it's a new information. So at least we shouldn't expect to get a master grade pots below 200 bucks. Thanks

You shouldn't expect to get a Master pot for anything less than a few thousand!

You may get a pot from a master's studio for $200 but that would usually be a copy made by a student. Pots actually handcrafted by the masters themselves don't come cheap and as hop_goblin mentioned, they're thousands of dollars.

If anyone can really secure master Yixings for $200, please let us in on the secret.

As a sidenote, the Chinese government often gives master grade Yixings to visiting diplomats as state gifts.

[joelbct]

You may get a pot from a master's studio for $200 but that would usually be a copy made by a student.

Seems this is the way at Japanese Kilns as well.... Although "student" works are often very high quality, many of the students have years or decades of experience.

Also, some contemporary masters whose Chawans go for thousands of dollars like to make their own personal works available at reasonable prices from time to time, so it is not unheard of to find a "Shoraku III" Chawan for $200 or $300, even though his works will usually go for thousands.

Another thing to keep in mind, even since Rikyu's time, Counterfeiting and passing one's work off as someone else's has been rampant in Japanese Tea Ceramics (probably Chinese as well, though this is just a guess).

There are anecdotes about Counterfeits of such skill that they fooled the very artists they were aping, and it became the case that an unknown potter was all but forced into signing someone else's name just to stay in business.

Because of this, the Samurai apparently treasured their Chaire more so than they did their Chawans, because the Chaire were more difficult to counterfeit due to their one-of-a-kind glazes.

[chrl42]

You may get a pot from a master's studio for $200 but that would usually be a copy made by a student.

Seems this is the way at Japanese Kilns as well.... Although "student" works are often very high quality, many of the students have years or decades of experience.

Also, some contemporary masters whose Chawans go for thousands of dollars like to make their own personal works available at reasonable prices from time to time, so it is not unheard of to find a "Shoraku III" Chawan for $200 or $300, even though his works will usually go for thousands.

Another thing to keep in mind, even since Rikyu's time, Counterfeiting and passing one's work off as someone else's has been rampant in Japanese Tea Ceramics (probably Chinese as well, though this is just a guess).

There are anecdotes about Counterfeits of such skill that they fooled the very artists they were aping, and it became the case that an unknown potter was all but forced into signing someone else's name just to stay in business.

Because of this, the Samurai apparently treasured their Chaire more so than they did their Chawans, because the Chaire were more difficult to counterfeit due to their one-of-a-kind glazes.

Umm..that happens among yixing masters too, especially among non-famous masters who needs good money to keep continuining their studio. Which is, using half-hand made methods with a tool. But that's different from student's work so slightly costs more.

But unlike Japanese or Korean teaware, Yixing teapots are rather hard to copy because they never accept 'natural effect'. For example, over flowing glaze or over heating in a kiln can be applied to asthetic value to Japanese or Korean teaware. But Yixing teapots require exact temperature of heating and missing shape can be easily identified, no abstract value on precision.

So yixing followers rather consider good copy of master's work as one of artwork, too(those are expensive sometimes). There are people who only see the pot and never see its level of crafter, no matter how rich he is. And these people are real appreciators of yixing, in my opinion.

[bi lew chun]

I think a lot of us may have at one time thought we wanted big teapots. Live and learn.

Fun Alliance has a pretty wide selection of huge pots, like this 680 mL bad boy:

[hop_goblin]

I just typed them cos I had nothing else to do..

For me, it's a new information. So at least we shouldn't expect to get a master grade pots below 200 bucks. Thanks

You shouldn't expect to get a Master pot for anything less than a few thousand!

You may get a pot from a master's studio for $200 but that would usually be a copy made by a student. Pots actually handcrafted by the masters themselves don't come cheap and as hop_goblin mentioned, they're thousands of dollars.

If anyone can really secure master Yixings for $200, please let us in on the secret.

Diddo! It will be OUR secret!

[britt]

Also, some contemporary masters whose Chawans go for thousands of dollars like to make their own personal works available at reasonable prices from time to time, so it is not unheard of to find a "Shoraku III" Chawan for $200 or $300, even though his works will usually go for thousands..

I've purchased seven matcha chawans from Magokorodo on Trocadero and I was extremely impressed with one in particular that I paid $230 for. It is an Iga with the best and clearest emerald-green pool that I have ever seen in the bottom of the chawan, and several tastefully dripped crystal-clear emeralds running down the chawan's sides. They really do look similar to jewels; they're not the cloudy sage green that is so often seen in Iga pottery. I wrote to Hidehisa of Magokorodo and asked him if he accidently sent me a $1000 chawan instead of a $200 one. I thought I was joking, but when he answered, he said that the works of this artist, Mr. Keizo-Atarashi, usually start at US $1600 and go as high as $5,000 but that he made these available to Magokorodo customers for $200. I believed him then, but you've further reinforced that belief.

Another thing to keep in mind, even since Rikyu's time, Counterfeiting and passing one's work off as someone else's has been rampant in Japanese Tea Ceramics (probably Chinese as well, though this is just a guess).

I wasn't aware that this was a problem with Japanese works. I know that counterfeiting is rampant in China, but I'm not so sure about copying a masters work, which is often very complex. I do know that counterfeiting of old collector's Yixings has been a problem. Many of these were just old, unadorned pots that used genuine clay or special clay, and were used often making them very well seasoned and highly regarded by collectors.

[chrl42]

thx for the deeho link. Those Yixing pot sure look nice, but hella expensive! what are they made of, gold? LOL wtf?
Ijust purchase my first ever $50 Yixing pot "400ml" in fact this is actually the first teapot i ever brought.

one question though, what's so special about those expensive pots? are they suppose to brew better than cheapers ones like the one ive just brought? will the hardcore tea drinker notice the difference vs a cheap $50 Yixing pot or are you just paying premium for it's elegant design?

I might get one of those when i became alittle wiser. so ill just stick with the $50 pot for now.

Solodays, you know..nature of market. With their pot being absurdly expensive, yet there is still people who buy their stuff thus the price.

Solodays, there are hundreds of non-famous crafters in Yixing who's as good as they. But there are thousands of more who make a fake yixing. But do we have eyes to check the originality?

Thousands of year ago, who would have imagined a drop of 100-yr-old wine can costs 100 bottles of normal wine? But this is how the market is going.

30 yrs ago, no one drunk Puerh but 30yr-old puerh now can cost one semester at community college. Gu Jing Zhou-made yixing was 100 USD 30 years ago but now it easily goes up 100.000 USD.

If I had a thousand, no I won't buy their pots. But I will rather focus on spending on pots made of rare clays. Because to me a clay is more important than design of the pot, like this-wise everyone's asthetic or point of money-spending is different.

Solodays, they are not the best pot for brewing teas rather, they are best pots for exhibition.

Peace.