Oolong tea bad for health?

[Geekgirl]

Those statistics are virtually meaningless, as it doesn't give a control group to measure such effects if all things are normalized, including diet, exercise, heredity, and exposure to low levels of radiation.

If we are comparing Japanese teadrinkers living in Hiroshima, eating a traditional diet and exercising 30 minutes a day, to Japanese teadrinkers living in Nevada, eating a traditional diet and exercising 30 minutes a day, then we'd have something.

I've seen this study repeatedly (the one about the malignant neoplasms.) Every time I see it I wonder how much it has to do with tea, and how much to do with the fact that 60 years ago two atomic bombs were dropped on major population centers where people still live?

[silverneedles]

" It did not prove that burnt meat causes cancer."

^ are you joking?

[Geekgirl]

" It did not prove that burnt meat causes cancer."

^ are you joking?

It really doesn't. Scientific method was not really used in such a survey.

[silverneedles]

Those statistics are virtually meaningless, as it doesn't give a control group to measure such effects if all things are normalized,
atomic bombs were dropped on major population centers where people still live?

those statistics are collected by the WHO who collects them from the respective countries

and japanese have a huge number of gastric cancer, yes young ones too, not because of Nagasaki...

[Geekgirl]

But statistics are not scientific method. And although there may be a relational factor between cancers and green tea, or cancers and burnt meat, or cancers and Nagasaki, etc, the statistics alone do not demonstrate a causative relationship between these factors.

[silverneedles]

statistics are not scientific method?

[Geekgirl]

Not in and of themselves, no. For instance, I could go poll my neighbors and discover that 16 of them have dogs and 12 do not. And of the 16 with dogs, 11 have children. Of the 12 without dogs, 2 have children, thus owning a dog causes pregnancy.

Clearly that's ridiculous, but it's a perfectly valid statistic. However the interpretation is not scientific method.

[Bubba_tea]

Buy geekgirl a drink!!!

Relations don't prove causations.

They do cause panic though... and causes people to pay crazy prices for plastics without pba etc etc and thus, alcohol was made and all was good.

Anyways, vaporized meat fat fumes or eating umeboshi (sp?) don't have anything to do with dry roasted tea leaves, so drink up! It's ok!

[silverneedles]

ok
so how about this:

there is no proof green tea is healthy
there is no proof green tea is bad

[silverneedles]

people to pay crazy prices for plastics without pba etc etc

yup, and now that calories are put up in restaurants sure made me not buy donuts

[PolyhymnianMuse]

ok
so how about this:

there is no proof green tea is healthy
there is no proof green tea is bad

Correct, but there is more "proof" pointing toward it being healthy in certain respects than in being bad, or even harmful. What a great thread! Geekgirl you deserve a couple drinks

[silverneedles]

if you'd be kind to point out the proof,
i'd be interested to read,
might change my opinion

[PolyhymnianMuse]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egcg

That would be a decent start. Of course I use the word proof loosely. Not to mention that tea has simply been looked at as a healthy thing since as long as we know it has existed, for whatever that is worth by itself.

Although there are of course the Mormons, who believe tea is harmful to the body...

[hop_goblin]

"Does Grilling or Barbecuing Meat Cause Cancer?
According to Dr. Ted Gansler, director of Medical Content for the American Cancer Society, eating excessive amounts of grilled meat or chicken can increase your risk of developing cancer. This is also true for pan-fried meats at high temperatures.

Current research tells us that the well done or charred meats pose the highest risk. The problem that cooking at very high temperatures break down the amino acid, creatine, in meats. When this occurs, chemical is formed, heterocyclic amines (HAs). HAs are carcinogenic and are linked to cancer."
http://cancer.about.com/od/foodguide/a/grillingmeat.htm

Grubby, if you are that concerned about health problems from oolong perhaps you need to find another beverage to drink. Just remember, that oolong comes in various degrees of roasting and people have been drinking tea for hundreds of years. I am sorry but it sounds a little paranoia to me. I would hate to live my life in fear. It is too freaking short.

[chrl42]

HeHe.

I am drinking Oolong this morning in empty smotach. If it was a green, I might have a problem with itching with stomach.

Most of Chinese foods are either fried or roasted. I hear no stories about Chinese national health prolems..

It's true roasting kills polyphenol or other beneficial ingredients that are most seen in white tea and green tea. But as I stated above Oolong also has a benefit and one of em is I can drink it 24/7 (that's what I did yesterday and I survived just fine!)