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by scruffmcgruff » Apr 6th, '09, 23:40

bjlange wrote:Will a kyusu work well for everything? Or do I really need to get a couple different pots?
Nah, if you get one of those glazed kyuusu from Den's you can brew anything and everything loose leaf, so no need for a second pot right now. As you get more experienced and learn more, you may decide to try new methods, but this is a good starting point.
ErikaM wrote:I started off with an IngenuiTEA from Adagio. It's a great, low-cost starter device for someone new to loose leaf... especially if you aren't certain yet what type of tea you'll be drinking. No point putting a lot of money into a kyusu if you mostly drink black tea, or into yixing if you like greens. I have other teaware now too but still prefer my IngenuiTEA for brewing iced tea.
I disagree; kyuusu are very versatile, especially if they are glazed. I see no reason why a kyuusu would be any worse for anything than the IngenuiTEA. IMO it would be a huge step down from a glazed kyuusu in terms of quality, and they cost the same. Perhaps you are thinking of unglazed kyuusu? In that case I agree, it would be much harder to go from a Lapsang Souchong or Earl Grey to a (relatively) subtle green tea.
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by t4texas » Apr 6th, '09, 23:41

bjlange wrote:OK, I'm digging the one/two inexpensive pots and use the rest for tea idea. I guess my only other question is: do I need two pots? And why? I mean, I guess what I don't get is how a pot's properties make that much of a difference for a certain type of tea's flavor, but I really don't know much about teapots, hence why I am here. Will a kyusu work well for everything? Or do I really need to get a couple different pots?
If two, I would suggest one in the larger size you started out talking about in a glazed interior...or the Adagio IngenuiTea device, and a gaiwan of no more than 120 ml. That will allow you to brew western style in the larger one and gongfu style in the smaller one. You can effectively brew every type of tea in these two vessels. Not as well as you can with a shelf full of various pots for various teas and situations, but it's a more than good start. You can get both for what, about $40. You can worry about adding multiple Yixings and multiple Japanese pots and a few English pots later. Start simple, learn how to brew various teas, see what you like...and relax.

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by Anelezel » Apr 6th, '09, 23:43

I know the PersonaliTEA has already been mentioned, but I just want to say that I love my little teapot. Its super cute and brews enough tea to keep me satisfied. Its really durable for only being 9 bucks, my cat just broke my first one a couple nights ago so another one is on the way.

I recommend it to a newbie, being one myself, lol.

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by Dreamer » Apr 6th, '09, 23:46

Great question!

I use the personaliTea (about 24 ounces) to make black tea that I share with my family (it is the only tea I can get anyone else to drink around here). I brew it "western" style, one teaspoon of leaf per 6 ounce cup (plus one teaspoon "for the pot") and then we share the pot of tea...sharing a pot of tea with my family is a source of pure joy for me. The infuser with this pot is large enough that the leaf seems to expand very nicely. However, if you are using the infuser you do have to make a pretty full pot to have the water reach the basket (does that make sense?)

I use the smaller pots for the teas that are better (by my taste) brewed in small amounts....which works okay for me since I have to drink them alone :( If I manage to get someone to join me, we'll each just use smaller cups.

If you get anything unglazed, you probably want to stick with only one kind of tea in that pot (e.g. I only use my red tokoname for Japanese greens) since there is a transfer of flavor to the pot over time (strong flavors might stick around to flavor or scent your other teas).

And if you're going to do Japanese greens you need a pot with a fine screen or fine ceramic screen (can't remember the word for this) since Japanese greens can have pretty small bits and need room to expand (i.e. they don't work well in an infuser basket...you'll cheat yourself out of some flavor if you use a basket).

I am by no means an expert, but since loose leaf teas are fairly new to me, I can sympathize with the dizzying array of teaware that is available and I can pass on the info about what has worked for me. There is every temptation to jump into spending lots of $$$ on pots, but I've found that quality loose leaf tea brewed at good time and temp, tastes awesome no matter what you brew it in.

Having said all that, I think I must buy the glass vessel that Sal posted a picture of last week...I am sure that there is some scientific reason why I need that particular brewing vessel!!!

Have fun,
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by Chip » Apr 6th, '09, 23:53

It is hard to go wrong with an inexpensive starter kyusu that is glazed, very forgiving and will stand by you for years even after you have 10 more. :wink:

I got my 3rd cheap one actually after I already had 10+ come to think of it. My first one brewed everything under the sun and served me well for almost 8 years til it was so beat up I finally retired it.

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by CutieAgouti » Apr 7th, '09, 03:31

I have to encourage the kyusu. I bought two from Den's and they brew wonderfully and haven't left any residual taste yet. There's a strainer built in, easy to clean up, and durable. I don't think they would be too good for anything like rooibos or honeybush due to the smaller leaves but everything else brews nicely.

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by CJluvsT » Apr 7th, '09, 09:41

I agree with the above post. I'm new to tea also, and have the InginuiTea. It's a great little pot, and can go anywhere too. It als comes with samples! What more could you ask for?!!!! :D The price is right too!

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by ErikaM » Apr 7th, '09, 10:06

scruffmcgruff wrote: Perhaps you are thinking of unglazed kyuusu? In that case I agree, it would be much harder to go from a Lapsang Souchong or Earl Grey to a (relatively) subtle green tea.
Yes, I was thinking of mine, which is unglazed. I only use it with Japanese greens because I don't want competing flavors absorbing into the clay.
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by Chip » Apr 7th, '09, 10:12

ErikaM wrote:
scruffmcgruff wrote: Perhaps you are thinking of unglazed kyuusu? In that case I agree, it would be much harder to go from a Lapsang Souchong or Earl Grey to a (relatively) subtle green tea.
Yes, I was thinking of mine, which is unglazed. I only use it with Japanese greens because I don't want competing flavors absorbing into the clay.
Yeah, a good starter would be glazed inside and out.

But if you are not brewing any flavored teas with it, an unglazed one really does not absorb as much as say a Yixing. My first one was not glazed on the inside. Still, my unglazed kyusu-s never touch anything but Japanese greens, but then again I am more than a bit AR. 8)

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by JRS22 » Apr 7th, '09, 16:15

I started with the Ingenuitea and Adagio samplers. When it began to leak, possibly from overenthusiastic cleaning, I didn't replace it.

By then I had moved on to a ForLife mug with an infuser basket, which I now use for making rooibos. It's perfect for that - the infuser basket has very small holes which contain the rooibos.

I now brew my Japanese teas in a Den's $19 kyusu and my Chinese teas in teapots that I make myself in pottery class.

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by bjlange » Apr 7th, '09, 19:58

Cool, thanks so much for all your replies!

I think I'm gonna make a trip over to my local international market and see what they have there- I know they carry tea from 15 different countries, and I think I've seen teapots there too. If I don't find anything there, I think I'll get the Den's kyusu that's on sale with their $3 sampler, and maybe get a gaiwan down the road.

And I know this is in the teaware section, but does anyone have a quick suggestion for a loose tea sampler somewhere that has a lot of different varieties of teas in it (ie black, oolong, green, etc)?

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by t4texas » Apr 7th, '09, 21:41

bjlange wrote:Cool, thanks so much for all your replies!

I think I'm gonna make a trip over to my local international market and see what they have there- I know they carry tea from 15 different countries, and I think I've seen teapots there too. If I don't find anything there, I think I'll get the Den's kyusu that's on sale with their $3 sampler, and maybe get a gaiwan down the road.

And I know this is in the teaware section, but does anyone have a quick suggestion for a loose tea sampler somewhere that has a lot of different varieties of teas in it (ie black, oolong, green, etc)?
I don't know where you are, but in the US at many Asian markets you can find basic ceramic tepots for as little as $8 or so.

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by JRS22 » Apr 7th, '09, 22:21

bjlange wrote:Cool, thanks so much for all your replies!

...And I know this is in the teaware section, but does anyone have a quick suggestion for a loose tea sampler somewhere that has a lot of different varieties of teas in it (ie black, oolong, green, etc)?
Adagio (they sponsor TeaChat) has a variety of samplers - here's one example that sounds really interesting:

http://www.adagio.com/misc/fresh_arriva ... f3a0df0593

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by spot52 » Apr 7th, '09, 23:03

I like http://www.teazonline.com/servlet/StoreFront for tea samples. Most of their samples are 99 cents. And each sample is enough for three cups.

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by andycr512 » Apr 8th, '09, 10:30

I started with a good old Sadler brown betty, back when they were still made in England. I still use it every day. It's 12-16oz, good quality, nice and heavy, and doesn't look like it's going to break anytime soon.

The PersonaliTEA looks good, though I haven't used it. You might try that.

I have an IngenuiTEA and wouldn't recommend it to be honest. The plastic material it's made of simply doesn't hold heat well enough to make good black tea, I find. I have the same problem with the TriniTEA.

At any rate, welcome to the world of real tea!

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