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by sriracha » Jul 5th, '09, 07:18

sneakers wrote:
Never mind the price of OB. Go ahead and buy a few pounds.
And then set about separating any stray insect legs or whatever from the leaves... :D



About the percentage of 'allowed' insect bits, I remember reading in one of the newspapers over here about the % of wheat flour that's really...something else. I had managed to forget about that. Um. ^^

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by sneakers » Jul 5th, '09, 23:06

[quote="sriracha"]

And then set about separating any stray insect legs or whatever from the leaves... :D

No legs, but insects that nibble also...

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by sneakers » Jul 5th, '09, 23:13

But seriously, a tea with natural sweetness is enticing. Has anyone found any at little lower price?

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by Intuit » Jul 6th, '09, 11:55

Lemme see here. We got an insect-damaged crop that would normally spell doom for harvest profit, leaves that are either sucked dry (withered/yellowed) or munched on, and fables of plant antibodies, sudden sweetness and delicate orchid-like aroma, and thus immense desirability.

So I suckered and bought some.

It does has an interesting sweetness and orchid-like flavor.

But wait! The area surrounding these tea estates abound in orchids (itself a lucrative crop). Contrary to popular belief, orchids are pollinated by very specific insects (usually bees). They do not flagrantly spread their pollen on the wind.

So scratch the BS about pollen-sweetening. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the 'secret-steps' for processing involves drying the leaves for a short period with orchid blooms.

Maybe you get elicited chemistry from tea leaves when they are attacked by leaf sucking insects, but given that it's a very BIG PROBLEM for tea growers, you would like this chemical propensity would be rather widespread.

So it has to be related to the cultivar resistance to insect predation. This paper uses a very clever method to determine the type of leaf damage associated with natural resistance of various tea cultivars to insect attack.

Probing behavior of the tea green leafhopper on different tea plant cultivars. 2007. Acta Ecologica Sinica 27(10):3973-3982.

The probing behaviors of the tea green leafhopper, Empoasca vitis (Gothe), on 9 tea cultivars were studied using video-text Direct Current-Electrical Penetration Graph, i.e., DC-EPG. The following 7 types of waveforms produced by the leafhopper stylet probing were determined: A, stylet pathway formation; S, salivation when stylets pierce into and stay in phloems; C, active ingestion before stylets reach phloems; E and F, passive ingestion in phloems; R, the insect resting with its stylet inserted into the leaf tissue and NP without probing. The 9 tested tea cultivars were categorized into 3 groups by the cluster analysis according to the number of probes per insect, waveform durations, or duration per probe of various waveforms on different tea cultivars. Waveforms S, E and F correlated to the main feeding activity of the leafhopper and may provide valuable information on predicting the resis-tance level of the tea plants to the leafhopper. The resistance level of the 9 tea cultivars to the leafhopper was ranked based on the durations of waveforms S, E and F, as well as the duration per probe including various waveforms. The ranking order of the resis-tance was: Longjingchangye > Hangdan > Zhenghedabaicha > Qianmei 601 > Hongyafoshuo > Zhongcha 102 > Zhongcha 302 > Longjing 43 > Anjibaicha, which corresponded to the resistance level determined by the population density (infestation) of the leaf-hopper on the 9 tea cultivars in the tea fields. Our study suggests that this simple and convenient DC-EPG technique might have great potential as a reliable tool to predict the resistance of tea cultivars to the tea leafhopper.

Maybe it's a more general trend in certain cultivars, maybe also a function of soil chemistry of specific locals, that they produce a sweeter tea than ordinary expected, as a result of natural resistance to leaf hopper infestation.

Insect attack induces production of natural compounds that afford a fruity sweetness when processed. Perhaps this quality is intensified by processing steps as well. So we got gene induction going on.

Maybe natural resistance is induced by cultivation conditions as well as genetics. You use less pesticides to control these critters, and allow a bit of attack, to which the plant defense responds and keeps leaf damage to a minimum.

I think that means that leaf damage and insect bits in the processed leaves isn't so big an issue. I went looking for more information, because I found OB to be delightful - really quite flavorful and fragrant. I wanted to know if leaf processing intensified this plant defense flavor quality.


I found a very informative article that sheds light on the interesting chemistry here:

Chemical Profiling and Gene Expression Profiling during the Manufacturing Process of Taiwan Oolong Tea "Oriental Beauty". Biosci Biotechnol Biochem. 2007 71 (6):1476-86.

(Institute for Chemical Research, Kyoto University is a top-notch Japanese research university).

Abstract. Oriental Beauty, which is made from tea leaves infested by the tea green leafhopper (Jacobiasca formosana) in Taiwan, has a unique aroma like ripe fruits and honey. To determine what occurs in the tea leaves during the oolong tea manufacturing process, the gene expression profiles and the chemical profiles were investigated.

Tea samples were prepared from Camellia sinensis var. sinensis cv. Chin-shin Dah-pang while the tea leaves were attacked by the insect. The main volatile compounds, such as linalool-oxides, benzyl alcohol, 2-phenylethanol, and 2,6-dimethylocta-3,7-diene-2,6-diol, increased during manufacture.

The gene expression profiles during manufacture were analyzed by differential screening between fresh leaves and tea leaves of the first turn over. Many up-regulated transcripts were found to encode various proteins homologous to stress response proteins. Accordingly, the endogenous contents of abscisic acid and raffinose increased during manufacture. Thus the traditional manufacturing method is a unique process that utilizes plant defense responses to elevate the production of volatile compounds and other metabolites.

Raffinose is a sugar. Linalool belongs to a group of compounds important to the flavoring and fragrance industries. Plant stress hormone that may affect leaf appearance and deform growth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscisic_acid

Better living through chemistry!

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by cyberhoofer » Jul 6th, '09, 17:39

sneakers wrote:But seriously, a tea with natural sweetness is enticing. Has anyone found any at little lower price?
From eBay: "Member has an eBay Store 'Next-door TEA HOUSE' "

Oriental beauty * Taiwan Bai Hao Oolong Tea 500g 1.1 lb
Buy It Now price: US $73.80

http://cgi.ebay.com/Oriental-beauty-Tai ... 1|294%3A30

The price seems fair enough. I shall try it later, when I'm not ever soooo broke. Shall have to wait a month though. 2000 grams of 2nd Flush Darjs coming from Thunderbolt this week, plus 1000g of Makaibari Vintage Muscatel from Lochan.

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by Salsero » Jul 6th, '09, 20:48

cyberhoofer wrote: Shall have to wait a month though. 2000 grams of 2nd Flush Darjs coming from Thunderbolt this week, plus 1000g of Makaibari Vintage Muscatel from Lochan.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these! I tried a bunch of 1st flushes (15 or so) and none of them rang my bell. If you are interested, I will mail them to you if you PM me your address.

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by sriracha » Jul 7th, '09, 11:05

Floating Leaves seems to have Bai Hao at a discount, perhaps I'll order an ounce or two.

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by sneakers » Jul 7th, '09, 18:06

Intuit wrote: So I suckered and bought some.

It does has an interesting sweetness and orchid-like flavor.
You've eaten orchids. I know the tuber is used in Turkish ice cream, and vanilla comes from an orchid's seeds. Hmmm...... Describe the taste of orchid leaves.

Is the sweetness as overpowering as sugar in one's tea?

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by Intuit » Jul 8th, '09, 11:33

Orchids are edible and have been used in preparing dishes in Asia and Hawaii (at least since the 1960s). The flowers and tubers have been used for preparing various dishes in Asia and apparently South Pacific for much longer:
http://www.orchidboard.com/community/be ... chids.html

Don't know what the leaves taste like. Don't think they're used. Orchid growing enthusiasts report that birds don't fuss with the leaves, but they love to eat the flowers.

Pure vanilla is characterized by its delicate fruity, sweet, spicy flavor.

OB is said to have a decidedly sweet, fruity taste and floral top note.

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by sneakers » Jul 8th, '09, 14:19

Intuit wrote: So I suckered and bought some.

It does has an interesting sweetness and orchid-like flavor.
Intuit-- Is it the taste of the flower then?

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by cyberhoofer » Jul 10th, '09, 06:54

I just bought Bai Hao Oolong * Oriental Beauty 500g 1.1 lb USD $49.99 plus shipping from


http://stores.ebay.com/Dragon-Tea-House


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0274821143

At this price I consider it a bargain. Dragon Tea House also stocks a 'premium' version of Taiwanese OB.

A quote from their eBay site:
" Chinese Teas. Pu-erh, Oolong, Green tea, Black tea, White tea, Yellow tea etc., from China directly! Dragon Tea House is a tea merchant dedicated in providing you with the finest and fresh teas. I'm Gordon and English is my second language. Please feel free to contact me when you need any help."

The quality just remains to be seen & tasted, so I'm hoping for the best. Will start a new thread, as soon as my flat rate shipment (hopefully) arrives within a month or so.


And guys, where do you buy / have bought your OBs. I'd like to hear comments on the quality & flavour!

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by Salsero » Jul 10th, '09, 10:27

I have had good luck buying greens from Gordon at Dragon Tea House in the past, but I have never had the OB.

Stéphane at TeaMasters generally has good OB, but not inexpensive. You have to email him for his current price list.

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by TIM » Jul 10th, '09, 10:33

Salsero wrote:...Stéphane at TeaMasters generally has good OB, but not inexpensive. You have to email him for his current price list.
I agreed with Salsero. Stephane's selection is one of the choicest OB on the internet. Don't be surprise for the price per gram though.... imo, worth every penny.

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by xuancheng » Jul 11th, '09, 01:18

TIM wrote:
Salsero wrote:...Stéphane at TeaMasters generally has good OB, but not inexpensive. You have to email him for his current price list.
I agreed with Salsero. Stephane's selection is one of the choicest OB on the internet. Don't be surprise for the price per gram though.... imo, worth every penny.
I this year's OB from Stephane as well. Enjoyed it quite a lot. I think I got about 15 infusions.

Cheap oriental beauty is not usually a bargain, because you usually wind up not drinking it and buying another tea. Pay a lot for oriental beauty, or just buy a good cheap tea of another type.

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by shah82 » Jul 11th, '09, 22:08

I had a sample of Stephane's OB, his mid grade one. Peeps aren't wrong when they say his are good, but they are really really expensive. I enjoyed it even though I have no real affection for OB--I like tea to have an agressive taste. I do plan on buying 25 gms of his nice OB when I have real money for tea again.

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