Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

[devilducklings]

yes, they are single holed, around 100ml size

[wert]

I can't help you but I have negative examples.
Looking at 90s or later "zhuni"

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[wert]

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[devilducklings]

hi wert,

thanks for your post.
the clay and craftmanship looks very similar to my friend's pots.
If I may ask, how certain are you that the pots is from 90s or later?
and if the clay is really even a zhuni?

and if it is indeed really much later than what he thought, would you think this is still a good pot worthy to be collected or not?

[Tead Off]

They look like beautiful copies of early pots probably made no later than the 90's. Even if they are brand spanking new, they are nice looking and should be worthy to drink from. Collectors would not be interested in these types of pots, only the originals.

[wert]

hi wert,

thanks for your post.
the clay and craftmanship looks very similar to my friend's pots.
If I may ask, how certain are you that the pots is from 90s or later?
and if the clay is really even a zhuni?

and if it is indeed really much later than what he thought, would you think this is still a good pot worthy to be collected or not?

I don't really know much more than the fact the pot I shown is not the vintage "lao zhuni"(late qing). As to whether it is "zhuni", that is a can of worms. Modern pot makers and pot sellers label everything that is remotely red or orange as "zhuni" These are however very different from the "lao zhuni" so I guess it is open to one's interpretation.

[Saladin]

A couple of good links regarding this. The first is a translation of his essay and the second a pdf excerpt with some great photographs of the process, amazing.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hamada+Sh ... 0216897147

http://www.ceramicartdaily.net/booksale ... xcerpt.pdf

CWarren

Good stuff, thanks!

[debunix]

I can't believe this possibly even more wonderful cousin of my little Kazuwa cup is without bids on Ebay....

[chrl42]

I can't help you but I have negative examples.
Looking at 90s or later "zhuni"

The pot I can hardly judge whether it's hand-made or imitated hand-made. If it's former, it should belong to a master-kind, with its . unique trimming technique but the joint line in the back rather seems careless.

90s Zhunis are hand-made and very in the look of Qing dynasty Zhuni. Are praised for craftsmanship and purity of clay. Top Zhuni masters like Xu Jin-gen, Zhu Qin-yong, Xu Fu-jun etc have made those nameless Zhuni in the 90s. If you take those to the very potter who've made that, they will write you a certificate, then the price will be the same as their normal works.

Then there are just 2000's~now imitating 90s Zhuni.

[devilducklings]

Thanks to all for very helpful information.

They look like beautiful copies of early pots probably made no later than the 90's. Even if they are brand spanking new, they are nice looking and should be worthy to drink from. Collectors would not be interested in these types of pots, only the originals.

They are indeed very pretty in my eyes, but I am still a very newbie to yixing pots which makes me inconfident dealing with them.
For me, as long as it is confirmed the clay is good then I'll take it.
I'm not sure if I (i.e. my wallet) am ready for the 'originals'.

The pot I can hardly judge whether it's hand-made or imitated hand-made. If it's former, it should belong to a master-kind, with its . unique trimming technique but the joint line in the back rather seems careless.

90s Zhunis are hand-made and very in the look of Qing dynasty Zhuni. Are praised for craftsmanship and purity of clay. Top Zhuni masters like Xu Jin-gen, Zhu Qin-yong, Xu Fu-jun etc have made those nameless Zhuni in the 90s. If you take those to the very potter who've made that, they will write you a certificate, then the price will be the same as their normal works.
Then there are just 2000's~now imitating 90s Zhuni.

This is something new I learn today. Is imitated handmade done with machine or mold (which still makes it half handmade)?
I am almost sure they arent a master pot though considering what my friend paid them for.
Could you shed some light on how to tell if it is hand made vs imitated handmade?

So chrl, 90s zhuni is sought after by many teapot lovers?
2000s imitating 90s? My God, this is so complicated.
Have to note my self, next time I saw 'old' teapot shouldnt be too excited, keep calm and be very very sceptic

[chrl42]

This is something new I learn today. Is imitated handmade done with machine or mold (which still makes it half handmade)?
I am almost sure they arent a master pot though considering what my friend paid them for.
Could you shed some light on how to tell if it is hand made vs imitated handmade?

So chrl, 90s zhuni is sought after by many teapot lovers?
2000s imitating 90s? My God, this is so complicated.
Have to note my self, next time I saw 'old' teapot shouldnt be too excited, keep calm and be very very sceptic

It means they roughly hand-made them then backed up by moulds.

High imitations the look of inside is almost the same as genuines. But outside looks are different. Hand-made pots' exterior will have wrinkes on upper and lower spots, and trimming marks done by bamboos.

It's very hard to describe, but there is a liveliness in hand-made pots...words can't deliver those traits 100%. There are joint lines, in the back or front, between wall and bottom etc


90s are good, but most of '90s' zhuni out there are actually imitated versions.

[devilducklings]

It means they roughly hand-made them then backed up by moulds.
High imitations the look of inside is almost the same as genuines. But outside looks are different. Hand-made pots' exterior will have wrinkes on upper and lower spots, and trimming marks done by bamboos.
It's very hard to describe, but there is a liveliness in hand-made pots...words can't deliver those traits 100%. There are joint lines, in the back or front, between wall and bottom etc
90s are good, but most of '90s' zhuni out there are actually imitated versions.

Thanks charl for sharing it, very appreciated.

[Tead Off]

It's very hard to describe, but there is a liveliness in hand-made pots...words can't deliver those traits 100%. There are joint lines, in the back or front, between wall and bottom etc

In my understanding, there can be joint lines in both handmade and half-handmade pots. This will depend on the potter's careful finishing along with the help of the fire. Half-handmade are made in the same way that 100% handmades are except the various slabs of clay are fashioned in molds and will be the exact same size in the case of half-handmades. The potter then shapes the clay, joins, and finishes the various seams the same way that handmades are.

[chrl42]

It's very hard to describe, but there is a liveliness in hand-made pots...words can't deliver those traits 100%. There are joint lines, in the back or front, between wall and bottom etc

In my understanding, there can be joint lines in both handmade and half-handmade pots. This will depend on the potter's careful finishing along with the help of the fire. Half-handmade are made in the same way that 100% handmades are except the various slabs of clay are fashioned in molds and will be the exact same size in the case of half-handmades. The potter then shapes the clay, joins, and finishes the various seams the same way that handmades are.

The joint lines in half hand-made pots will be removed while using moulds.

That's why some potters stamp a seal on the spot that later to become a wall of Yixing. To show it was hand-made.

I think there is a huge difference between the level of hand-making and half hand-making. The former is highly an artistic field and the price speaks for it...

[Tead Off]

It's very hard to describe, but there is a liveliness in hand-made pots...words can't deliver those traits 100%. There are joint lines, in the back or front, between wall and bottom etc

In my understanding, there can be joint lines in both handmade and half-handmade pots. This will depend on the potter's careful finishing along with the help of the fire. Half-handmade are made in the same way that 100% handmades are except the various slabs of clay are fashioned in molds and will be the exact same size in the case of half-handmades. The potter then shapes the clay, joins, and finishes the various seams the same way that handmades are.

The joint lines in half hand-made pots will be removed while using moulds.

That's why some potters stamp a seal on the spot that later to become a wall of Yixing. To show it was hand-made.

I think there is a huge difference between the level of hand-making and half hand-making. The former is highly an artistic field and the price speaks for it...

In my understanding, they will be removed in both cases. Some do a better job than others. I have seen many handmade pots without joint lines.

The stamping of a seal does nothing except identify a potter or studio. They can be done on both methods.

There is a level of handmade that is indeed noticeably higher quality, but you cannot say that all handmades exhibit this.